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bin Laden declared war on the US some time ago. We were fools for not paying
attention. But that's what we do, we ignore small pests until they get out
of hand...
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes:
> What happened yesterday was a murderous and destructive act of hatred
> against our nation.
Correct.
> But it should also be considered a wake up call to our
> government
Correct. It is indeed a wake up call.
> for it's unarguable role in fostering aggression and hatred
> around the world, and within our own borders as with Oklahoma City.
You're full of it here, though. It's extremely arguable.
I'm dismayed, and even a little sickened, but not surprised, that you'd use
any opportunity to parrot your usual tripe. The US, flaws and all, is more
of a world saviour than a world oppressor. It is time you realised that.
> The
> innocent shouldn't be condemned and suffer and die for the sins of the
> leadership.
Agreed. And when we disassemble Afghanistan and Iraq and Libya and N. Korea
to root out the harborers of this evil, we should be sure not to make
innocents suffer needlessly. But the guys dancing in the street in glee over
this aren't innocents.
> We should seriously examine why someone, or some group, would
> feel compelled to carry out such a horrible act.
Because they are not human. No other explanation is needed. No other
explanation can be accepted.
They're not the only ones, mind you, but I say the race will be better off
without their genes. No grievance, no mission from Allah, no moral
justification, can justify this. None.
> There are several lessons
> to be learned here, the main one is that killing innocent men, women and
> children is wrong.
In what way is this a lesson? Are you saying that you didn't already know
this? If you didn't, I pity you. If you did know this, it's not a lesson.
> Most important, let our comments rest on peace and
> justice, not war and revenge.
How about war and justice?
I support the notion of the civilized nations of the world going to the
Talibans and Libyas of the world and saying "turn them all over now or you
will be disassembled and another government put in place." and then carrying
it out. This attack cost us hundreds of billions of dollars. I'll pay my
share of trillions if that's what it takes to drastically reduce this
scourge. The time for measured responses is over. Massive overwhelming force
is the appropriate response to the initiators of force.
Do it in a way that minimises innocent civilians. Drop leaflets first saying
"now is the time to rise up against the tyrants. If you don't, stand back
out of the way. If you support your misguided terrorist harboring government
even now, after this, prepare to face the consequences, you're no longer an
innocent.".
bin Laden has said he's declared war on the US. Fine. We should have took
him at his word back then, but better late than never. It matters not
whether he was behind this or not, we'll figure it out either way. But he's
behind enough other stuff that I am content to see him and his pack of rabid
dogs brought to justice for those acts regardless. And while we're at it,
let's take care of some of the other terrorists as well.
The US is not the world's policeman. But we can and should defend our shores
when they are attacked, wherever in the world that takes us.
The US is not perfect, and we have things we should fix. Lots of them. But
it sickens me to hear people say "too bad about the deaths, you had it
coming" and sickens me even worse to see people handing out candy to
celebrate death and destruction, whether they were victims or not. They
deserve our scorn, not our sympathy.
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| (...) This really is rich coming from you, the USA may well be viewed as a world saviour by many - but my understanding is that "world saviour" is not a roll you are happy with. Or have events this week changed that? (...) Rather than giving them (...) (24 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Bin Laden was trained by the CIA to fight the Soviets. At the time, he probably thought the USA was supporting his ideology, rather than simply persuing its own anti-communist one. USA suport then rapidly disappeared. He was then witness to (...) (24 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Let me just say that we, as Americans, should not be so sheepish to jump on the war bandwagon. War against whom? How in Heaven's name will killing other civilians ever make things better in the world? That is not justice, that is revenge and no one (...) (24 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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