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Re: Plane crash in New York?
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Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:27:20 GMT
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In lugnet.general, Eric Kingsley writes:
> In lugnet.general, Scott Arthur writes:
> <snip>
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> > If the USA acts with the brutality that many seem to expect/want more
> > martyrs will be created and the events of yesterday may well be repeated at
> > some point in the future by those who follow. Only tackling the apparent
> > philosophical legitimacy these people have can really help in the long run.
> > I for one want justice to be served. But I want it to be in a manner which
> > ensures events such as these never happen again.
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> This is great but how do you suggest we "tackle the philosophical legitimacy"
> of whomever did this? And how do you suggest we ensure that events such as
> these never happen again without all out war?
That is tough without knowing who did it. But, I would say that the number
one weapon should be education. As I have said before, if the group who did
this use religion as a justification, the link between their religion and
their act must be broken – no religion can condone what happened on Tuesday.
Further, we should be willing to concede that the people who did this have a
genuine grievance - this has been done in South Africa (ANC), UK (IRA) &
Spain (ETA). There are even those in the USA who think Timothy McViegh had a
point. I would remind you that there is hardly a country which has not
funded terrorism in the past - and I include the USA in that. The people who
did this are clearly very highly motivated and have a willingness to destroy
human life on an unbelievable scale – but I doubt they are 100% evil, and I
know we are not 100% good. I am 100% certain that attempting to solve this
problem with missiles or bombs will only give a short term solution to this
problem.
I would urge anyone who is seeking vengeance right now to consider justice
as a better outcome.
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> > What is the point of committing murderous revenge when it only fuels the fire?
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> If we do nothing they will just keep doing this as well. Sure frequency might
> pick up in the short run but in the long run full scale military retaliation is
> the only solution. These people are not pacificts, they are murdering bastards
> and need to be treated as such.
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> I am sick of sitting back and letting these attacks go on and we just sit and
> at best give them a pin prick. I believe that most people are good whether
> Christian, Hebrew, Muslim, etc. People that use religion to support their
> actions are blatent frauds. None of the scripture of the 3 religions I mention
> allow for the use of suicide to get their way. Someone that uses religion as a
> means to an end are idiots.
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> I wish we could say "Please don't do this again" and we would get an answer
> like "Oh we're sorry we didn't know you would mind, we won't do it again". But
> that is ludicrist. Terror must be fought with terror. All I ask is that we
> are sure we know who did this before we starts the counter attacks.
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> Eric K.
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> Followups to off-topic.debate because we should start thinking about moving
> this now.
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> >
> > Scott A
> >
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| (...) I generally agreed with what you said Scott, so I am just picking at the details here... I think you meant that "no religion SHOULD condone what happened on Tuesday." Sadly, many faiths do suborn the use of violence to an almost epic scale -- (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| In lugnet.general, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> (...) This is great but how do you suggest we "tackle the philosophical legitimacy" of whomever did this? And how do you suggest we ensure that events such as these never happen again without all out (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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