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(...) I understand that you are not responding to me here, but I thank you anyway. I'm glad that someone else here actually understands that there are valid arguments against gun paranoia. (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Admittedly, no. At least as far as I knew, they weren't. At some remove, I can tell you I'd think I'd be less likely to intervene in a fist fight, though, than in a situation where someone had a gun drawn, assuming I was carrying. Fist fights (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not to lessen the significance of your prior actions, but for the context of this debate, were these life-or-death situations, on the street, in which you put yourself in harm's way for a stranger? Even if it was breaking up a fist fight (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Bruce Schlickbernd" <corsair@schlickbernd.org> wrote in message news:GGMv7M.CBM@lugnet.com... (...) entire national (...) peace and (...) West for a (...) they do (...) <snip> Funny, I have been carrying a concealed firearm for 5 years now and no (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't agree. (...) I do agree - THAT is the answer. Stop penalizing law-abiding citizens (or unnecessarily making them criminals by outlawing something the Constitution protects), and swiftly/harshly deal with the real criminals. (...) And (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And what if it doesn't work, what then? Are you going to reimburse everyone, or just say "sorry about that" and make everyone buy new ones? (...) Reread this one a few times, everyone, and think about what it means. Dan, on the other hand, you (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let's be realistic here: there is no *carnage*! I don't even agree that we have a "gun problem". The fact is - *less than* ONE PERCENT of firearms are used illegally! Doesn't sound like much of a problem to me. There are over 200 million guns (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I gave the wrong impression here. I am perfectly comfortable conversing with any level of profanity. I do so daily elsewhere. However, because I once had my posting priveledge suspended for the use of a word describing the excrement of a male (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd like to take issue with the word *accidental* above: The number of firearm related deaths under 21 actually includes juvenile offenders shot by police in the commission of crimes! More kids are killed each year by drowning in 5 gallon (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll respect that request because I agree that those *words* don't need to be used. I didn't think the word I used (***hole) was not allowed on this forum because I'm pretty sure I've seen it used before (as well as the words I usually add (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well then I must be blind. I've got two bricks on my desk, both steep 2x2x3 bricks. One is yellow, from <set:6075_2>; the other is dark grey, and from <set: 7184>. I can't discern, either by the naked eye, or by touch, any difference(1) (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So don't bother trying at all, eh? Is there any way to prove your notion, Tom? I think America could at least TRY to ban all handguns, for heaven's sake. And make penalties stiffer for people, namely criminals, found with guns. I really hate (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And what about the weaker material? Do you want to tell me the ABS becomes harder over the years and that is the reason why new plates are deformed, when I use my fingernails to take them apart and old ones are not? I could make a material (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have to side with this sentiment some, though I have seen some quality problems (a malformed 1x8 plate, a misprinted Princess Storm head, poor print quality on the straight wall of the 1st 10000 I opened, an almost unprinted head in same (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, here's one reason against a different color 4558: For the US market, 4558 represents one of the most likely to be recognizeable passenger trains to today's kids. I was just thinking the other day that perhaps one reason that there have (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because people are basically good, and want to help? That's why I would and have in the past. (...) Michigan just passed a relaxed CCW law. Now, the CCW boards have to approve anyone who passes a background check and pays the fee and complies (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Being that CCW permits are next to impossible to get in most states, I wouldn't be able to help. The intent to help would be there, but I'd have to stand by and watch someone possibly die, thanks to the ridiculous laws we have. (...) program (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not going to happen, it's too late. There are untold millions of legal guns out there. Take those away from law-abiding citizens, and you still have millions of ILlegal guns in the hands of criminals. (...) Sure it does. But life is dangerous, (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's too late - the market is in the untold millions already, closing the floodgates will only insure that ONLY criminals have them. If we were starting from ground zero, without millions out there, it would be a different matter. (...) I'm (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Probably too many, but you handle that by making the punishment for losing track of a gun tougher, you don't ban guns when there are already millions out there. -- | Tom Stangl, iPlanet Web Server Technical Support | Netscape Communications (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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GB doesn't count - they don't HAVE the massive amount of guns already easily available on the primary new and secondary new/used market. Two TOTALLY different bases to start from. (...) -- | Tom Stangl, iPlanet Web Server Technical Support | (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) past (...) That's right. Old bricks have been less weak and more precise. In the 1000steine.de this is called the "Kürbis-Effekt" (= pumpkin-effect), since the Halloween pumpkin has been the fist Lego set, which was delivered in really bad (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To be perfectly honest, it's just not something I've ever seen. I've never gotten a misprinted brick, I've never gotten a set with missing or damaged parts, I've not noticed a general decline(1) in part quality in recent years. I think I've (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Shame your discussion didn't take off. I for one think that the old bricks we're of a much higher quality than the new ones. I noticed this when I ordered a pack of bulk grey bricks. When built into a wall it didn't seem flat as if their we're (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry I was just drifting into off-topic.... I have tried to start a discussion on the topic of quality of Lego in the past a few times, but most people seem to agree with you, that this is a minor problem. (I am of the opposite opinion!) (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) on a related note (well, somewhat at least) The preacher at my church asked how many people in the congregation had been involved in automobile accidents...out of a group of about fifty people, just under a dozen raised their hands. (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For the moment, yes. Are you concerned that there may actually be a sound reason that people should maintain the ability to defend themselves? (...) Though I am not well read on this issue, I can imagine many reasons why arms may not have been (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Spot on. Those that sacrifice freedom for peace shall have neither. (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heh, if I'm not mistaken, the prefered *get-away* method is the use of an automobile... (...) Well, of course, that explains why so *few* people die in automobile accidents. And certainly no under-age drivers ever get ahold of a vehicle and go (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just out of curiosity, is there any basis for this assertion? Or real-world precedent, other than romanticized and falacious notions of the "Old West?" (...) Why should a witness feel a need to stop a crime, thereby placing himself in harms' (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Kind of like the old west, eh? Oh wait, that was called the Wild West for a reason. You'd even more people shooting each other for trivial reasons than they do now. God only knows the carnage that would happen on the freeways. I mean in excess (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which is a violation of the constitution. (...) Which is a violation of the constitution. (...) It should be training for none. Chris (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Dan, please stop profaning here. In the thread about eduporn you keep profaning but using an asterix in place of one letter. I don't buy that that is appropriate. In this note you didn't even bother. Please do. (...) I prefer to have better than the (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) shocking. Do you mean this: Based on 1998 data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, over 37% of the 866 people who died from unintentional firearm wounds were under the age of 21 ? Shockingly low if you compare it to what (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Like the BATF? I agree. (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <doing a little jig> Bring it on baby. There is one and only one way to bring the next American revolution on and that's to outlaw a significant class of weaponry. I'll tell you what...you'll be the first against the wall. (...) Agreed. It (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Originally to produce a state where the citizenry would have it in their power if they ever deemed it necessary to overthrow the governance by force. Now to maintain (and try to get back to) a state where the citizenry would have it in their (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I mean wrong. Counterfactual. Not correct. (...) I'm in a somewhat different boat. I've thought this through and through and I'm convinced that it is a disservice to not treat sexuality as a casual and natural physical loving gesture. It would (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Cute. But the point remains that more deaths are caused yearly by handguns than by stabbings, and in any case multiply-fatal stabbings are rare, and certainly don't often involve the same number of victims as a shooting spree. (Again--not that (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really, what do we need handguns and automatic weapons for except to protect ourselves from assholes with the same weapons? Get rid of them all and it significantly lowers the odds of getting shot or accidentally shooting yourself. If someone (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) total (...) distorted, (...) you (...) state (...) current (...) stupid (...) Are you cluless or what? Yeah I'm really meaning it. I know what sort of place Turkey is, but do you really? For your information, political islam is very strong (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Doesn't it disturb you that a guy with a knife killing eight Japanese schoolchildren makes worldwide news, and yet mass murders in the US often barely get a mention beyond local news? Doesn't that tell you something about this country? I would (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You honestly believe that having a huge domestic market has no effect whatsoever on a criminals' access to weapons? That criminals would obtain handguns just as easily without a gun shop in every high street? That every handgun-related death (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And this is something we need to be extremely carefull of. Anyone can become a suspect. Probing of suspects (and witnesses) must be based on careful documentation of the expectation of finding something. Extreme care must also be taken to keep (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And how many illegally held guns were at one point were in the hands of Joe Public legally? How many were obtained due to poor storage on the part of Joe Public (eg under the bed/pillow)? Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) All those poor naive people in Great Britain.... :-) Bruce (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I suppose you think the people committing premeditated crimes own those guns legally? And banning handguns would keep them from owning them? You're not really that naive, are you? (...) No, that's by soccer moms and yuppies. I'd like (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe you can, but don't tell that to those Japanese schoolchildren... -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's considerable harder to conceal a shotgun or rifle. My 12-gauge is considerably better for "home defense" than a handgun, anyway, and for the paranoid, a high-powered rifle is better for sniping at Guv'mint Troopers. Any idiot can point a (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One would hope not. However, knife-wielding madmen are rare - thankfully! (...) How would you see the reduction happening - education? Or perhaps reducing the type of guns up for sale? Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Generally, it's considered quite hard to carry a concealed automobile into a public building for the purposes of committing a crime. This is further complicated by the typical size of vehicle that seems to be favoured by the American market. (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't know if that's a tenable stance; one could as easily argue that a knife-wielding madman lurks in the bushes, but that doesn't mean we should outlaw knives *or* bushes. The only material difference between a gun and a knife (or a club, (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What you are saying is very true. I was skipping over a whole lot of details (due process, search warrent, etc.) and going directly to the loss of certain rights as a convicted criminal. In jail, certain rights are removed or reduced. (At (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is this really the best you can do. Which members of the gun owning public stopped your courts dragging away alleged communists during McCarthy’s reign? (...) You are trivialising the debate. Falling pianos no doubt have their victims too. The (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In the spirit of not trying to pick a fight, I'll include my opinion to this topic and hope for the best... Is it true that Hitler managed to remove weapons from the common people in Germany sometime before he went on his mad killing spree? And (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This seems problematic. The minute a crime is committed, presumably they have no idea whodunnit. So who exactly forfeits rights? And which ones? I guess I disagree. Among our rights (which are not forfeited even as a suspect) are due process. (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It could be argued that handgun/gun ownership actually restricts freedoms. I would feel a little oppressed if I knew that behind the twitching curtains in my area lurked a potential gun. Or if during an argument in a bar between two strangers (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I still can (although it is not a "top 4 list"). The fact is that Turkey is an oppressive country which is, as you say, "trying to imitate playing in the first league". I think it is important that everyone knows what sort of place Turkey is (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are joking, I presume? (...) Yet, if you arm everyone you get less violence? No. What you get is every petty crime or malicious act escalating rapidly into a violent and murderous one. You get negligible non-violent crime rates, and huge (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This even happens on Lugnet: (URL) (...) It is about to become law in New York State. There are plans to do the same in the UK: (URL) (...) Indeed. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd hate to put words in Jason's mouth. But when I read his text I immediately thought about how your constitution has allowed persecution and discrimination on the grounds of political views and race in the last 50 years. I can think of no (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) I really don't agree. In a country like mine, you can't go fully democratic since there is no common sense majority that prevent the population from total collapse into some stupid "islamic republic" thing, just like in Iran. In a (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well, I know your post must have been a joke by the tone you took, but..... Outlaw handguns, and only outlaws will have them. And all that would do is make rifles and shotguns "the firearm of choice in violent crimes and murders" sooner or later. I (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I think the basic idea is having the handguns leaves the likely possibility of being shot with one. Plus, the way our media portrays violence with handguns, it creates a climate where the possibility is even more likely. Getting rid of the handguns (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Erm - so that someone can nit-pick and flame me? I did write a load of stuff in reply to this, then deleted the lot. It just occured to me that I'd then have to spend the next year trying to explain 'irony'. What's the betting I have to anyway (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Simpson writes: (big clipping) (...) Would you mind telling me why you consider Portugal was "the worst of the bunch"?? In fact, it DID start slave trade in the Atlantic; but it also began ANY sort of trade routes (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You mean "wrong" to you? Sexuality is a very personal thing and people have different levels of it. Some wish to be private, some are more open, so it's not realistic to say either is "wrong." Sexuality is an intimate part of an individual and (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah--a journal is, traditionally, a private forum for articulating one's thoughts. A letter to the papers could easily be construed as a statement of intent. I'm still torn, though; in college I argued passionately for the impossibility of (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) I can agree that if the writing was a breach of a predetermined parole condition, then he does deserve to be punished. If it was not, then I feel that it is an invasion of privacy which cannot be tolerated. The individual in the (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's true, but I think Tom's point is that this is a dangerous thing to allow the courts. Even if it can sometimes avenge or even prevent crimes, the link between most kinds of writing and future events is too tenuous to generaly admit as (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I found similar, though slightly differing, stats at (URL) In 1998, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: Suicides with firearms took the lives of 17,420 Americans. Homicides with firearms took the lives of 11,798 (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's entirely possible that a PRIVATE journal entry (I'm reluctant to call it a "journal of fantasy" since it's difficult to establish after-the-fact whether a journal was intended as fantasy or as a plan of attack) can represent one's (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure! I think most American parents think that. I'm perfectly comfortable with the fact that a majority can be wrong. I'm not talking about what most people feel. I'm talking about what I think is right. I think that most people feel the (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am not sure you were both comparing like-with-like. But I would be interested in seeing a more comprehensive comparison. In most developed countries average crime levels are statistically low. What is important is fear of crime… that is what (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who mentioned "printed news". Porn seldom makes the news in the UK... not in the paper I read at any rate. I was think more of educated debate. (...) It was a jest. My religious views are my own, I am not about to inflict them on anyone. Scott (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Could you elaborate on this a bit? Thanks. (24 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Interesting. It was illegal in England too, under the Puritanic rule of Oliver Cromwell. Curiously though, of all the cases brought to trial throughout London, only one ever secured a conviction - in most cases, the jurors wouldn't register a (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) follow-on article at the bottom too, but that is terrible. I mean, the guy is a convicted child molestor, on probation. So, maybe reconsider his probation or schedule some more therapy[1][2] - something appropriate. But to convict him in that (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That was a rhetorical question, right? I am sure that almost all judges have, but, scarily, more and more no longer know or care what it means. (which that survey I posted a link to recently brings out.) (1) That said I can't advocate (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) over (...) case). (...) Disbarred??? How about dragged into the street by his hair and stoned to death? What kind of idiot creep judge hasn't read the first amendment? Chris (24 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This makes it sound like you're saying that adult movies are demeaning to women because that's what the news in the UK prints. What??? (...) Well, I suppose each work is directed toward a specific demographic. But what I meant is that the (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) change (...) much (...) Nope. I hadn't read anything about that. It sounds like a dumb stance on both sides. Here is a snip from a note I posted on another forum in a discussion in which a Welsh woman was asserting that she was statistically (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm glad somebody agree's with me :-). (...) Actually here in the uk we are having problems with increasing amounts of both government and buracrecy. I read the other day that half of our new laws come from Brussels. The European Union is (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True. This in fact appears to be true of all governments, no matter whether they start out just and democratic or not. And that's my issue with government, it's what our founding fathers tried to combat, imperfectly. We have a bill of rights (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can't beleive your more scared of me! When we're you intending to run into me? you've already acknowledged I live in a different country. Is your fear of governmental oppression intellectual or paranoid? (bit below the belt, but what the hey (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I see now - you don't live in the US, so you just can't quite appreciate the freedoms we have (they're eroding, though, unfortunately. And if more people in the US think like you, they'll erode much faster). (...) YOU. Him I may never run (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well if the guy lived in Northern Island I bet he'd be put away under the prevention of terroism act. In the right climate a government will make for itself, laws strong enough to defeat the current challenge against it. My earlier answears (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hmmmm...I guess I'd better burn all those sci-fi stories I was writing, i'd hate to thrown in prison for starting a war and killing thousands of people...oh and the way some of those people died...I must be deranged to ever have thought such things (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Har har har! No, dude, I mean don't you think most parents feel it's wrong to have sex in front of kids? (...) Put it this way, would you like to watch your parents have sex? I think parents showing affection is great! Kissing, hugging and (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, actually, you're not. At least, you shouldn't. If they're fiction, they have no base for a nonfictional case against you. If you HAD the materials for a bomb in the house, that would be one thing, but plans? You scare me. (...) Yes, the (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I hope you don't live in the US and have any power in elections. If you do, I should look into citizenship in other countries. Writing a PRIVATE journal of fantasy has absolutely nothing to do with an ACTUAL crime, nor even intent. If we start (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes Look if someone has convictions for bomb making and you find a fake plan of a bombing campaign in his home, your gonna put 2 and 2 together and put him away. How do you know it was 'fake' he's gonna say that isnt he. Same in this case (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let me add to that. Fictional writings that were never published or distributed and intended for my own private use (enjoyment?). (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So, you're saying that the government can arrest me for fictional writings about something that is illegal, but never took place anywhere but in my head? And that it's right?! -Duane (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 10 years! he should have got twenty, he was already on probation, He probably would have done it evetually and locking him up hardly counts as a loss to society! I think what society gains from the removal of the risk he posed far outways any (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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That's just beyond belief. I can't adequately express the outrage I'm feeling over the stupidity of the judge that actually let this happen (make no mistake, the judge is the only one to blame for this, he has the ultimate power in the case). I (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, here's a nicely vague one for you. (URL) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can't agree more on this. Many people think it a cliche, but it's the truth - "My wife is my best friend" I wouldn't have it any other way. (...) No, no harm in it, as long as you realize they are in Denial if they think they aren't having (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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They just had a bit on Dateline or some other show in the last few days discussing this. How kids can say oral sex is not sex is beyond me - I think it's just Major Denial, a way to justify doing as much as they can without thinking about any (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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