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Re: Handgun Death Rate
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:09:41 GMT
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Daniel Jassim wrote:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tom Stangl writes:
> > Well, I know your post must have been a joke by the tone you took, but.....
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> Really, what do we need handguns and automatic weapons for except to protect
> ourselves from assholes with the same weapons? Get rid of them all
Not going to happen, it's too late. There are untold millions of legal guns out
there. Take those away from law-abiding citizens, and you still have millions of
ILlegal guns in the hands of criminals.
> and it
> significantly lowers the odds of getting shot or accidentally shooting
> yourself.
Sure it does. But life is dangerous, deal with it.
I plan on taking various training courses when I buy a handgun. My wife has said she
won't go near a gun, I can respect that. We have no kids (and none ever visit), so
the chances of an accidental shooting are extremely small. I wouldn't pull a gun
unless my life was threatened, and if the gun went off then, it would be because I
was fully ready to defend myself with deadly force.
I grew up around guns, I know how to respect them.
> If someone wants to argue that people will just use other weapons
> like shot guns and rifles, or knives and stones, then we are facing a more
> serious issue of why crime happens and how we can prevent it.
Yes, we are. That's the crux of the matter, not the weapon.
> > Outlaw handguns, and only outlaws will have them. And all that would do is make
> > rifles and shotguns "the firearm of choice in violent crimes and murders" sooner
> > or later.
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> Sure, and as a society we need to address the whole issue of murder and how
> we deal with it in this country, even with regard to our foreign policy.
I definitely agree.
> Tim
> McVeigh made a brutal impression on America without the use of a single
> firearm. Yet he was a decorated "hero" for serving in the Gulf War. We have
> issues in this country and more guns is not the answer.
Maybe not, but fewer guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens isn't the answer
either, IMO.
> > But don't try to legislate me out of my right
> > to own one (one of the reasons I'll move out of CA sooner or later is all the
> > gun legislation the bastards keep trying to pass).
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> Well the pro-gun dickwads need to understand that they are hiding behind the
> Constitution instead of facing the fact that our country has a gun problem.
> We are a gun culture, there's no two ways about it. And I know a lot of
> decent people who own handguns but their attitude is if getting rid of
> handguns and automatic weapons makes America a better place, they're all for
> it. The NRA is in denial as far as I'm concerned.
No, I think you are, if you think you can magically get rid of ALL guns, illegal
included (getting rid of only the legal ones makes the problem WORSE, not better).
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| (...) So don't bother trying at all, eh? Is there any way to prove your notion, Tom? I think America could at least TRY to ban all handguns, for heaven's sake. And make penalties stiffer for people, namely criminals, found with guns. I really hate (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Really, what do we need handguns and automatic weapons for except to protect ourselves from assholes with the same weapons? Get rid of them all and it significantly lowers the odds of getting shot or accidentally shooting yourself. If someone (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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