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Re: Handgun Death Rate
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:23:27 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> > We have issues in this country and more guns is not the answer.
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> Sure it is. Universal armament is the answer. Distribute the entire national
> arsenal to the people where it belongs and you'd see a reign of peace and
> prosperity like no other.
Just out of curiosity, is there any basis for this assertion? Or
real-world precedent, other than romanticized and falacious notions of the
"Old West?"
> If I'm ever shot or otherwise brutalized, I'll be pissed off that none
> of the witnesses was armed sufficiently to stop the crime.
Why should a witness feel a need to stop a crime, thereby placing himself
in harms' way for a stranger? Long ago you indicated that you would not,
for instance, offer up your bone marrow for me:
http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=5776
presumably(!) because we aren't close friends, but are we somehow to hope
that a stranger will risk not only his bone marrow but his life to intervene
on behalf of some anonymous stranger? I know there are anecdotal examples
of one person taking a bullet for another, but how often does this happen
for a stranger, and can we really claim--based on such evidence--that
prolific gun possession would create the utopia you suggest below?
> If we all carried guns, crime would grind to a screaching halt.
Would it? On what basis is this assertion made? Implicit is the claim
that everyone would be equally willing to use a gun in defense of a
stranger, and this is categorically not true.
> > need to understand that they are hiding behind the Constitution
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> Wrong. I'm protecting the constitution from you. And I'll win or die.
Well, ultimately you'll die in any case, and the Constitution will
outlive you, me, Dan, Charlton, and the rest of us.
Dave!
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| (...) Being that CCW permits are next to impossible to get in most states, I wouldn't be able to help. The intent to help would be there, but I'd have to stand by and watch someone possibly die, thanks to the ridiculous laws we have. (...) program (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) national (...) I think that the strength of my claim makes it difficult to really defend. however the reading that I have done suggests that when concealed carry laws are passed and the propensity to carry increases for that venue the violent (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Dan, please stop profaning here. In the thread about eduporn you keep profaning but using an asterix in place of one letter. I don't buy that that is appropriate. In this note you didn't even bother. Please do. (...) I prefer to have better than the (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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