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Re: Laws about sex.... (was something else)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:32:23 GMT
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Steven Lane wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tom Stangl writes:
> > Steven Lane wrote:
> >
> > > > > 10 years! he should have got twenty, he was already on probation, He
> > > > > probably would have done it evetually and locking him up hardly counts as a
> > > > > loss to society! I think what society gains from the removal of the risk he
> > > > > posed far outways any supposed infringement of his rights.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve Lane
> > > > So, you're saying that the government can arrest me for fictional writings
> > > > about something that is illegal, but never took place anywhere but in my
> > > > head? And that it's right?!
> > > >
> > > > -Duane
> > >
> > > Yes
> > >
> > > Look if someone has convictions for bomb making and you find a fake plan of
> > > a bombing campaign in his home, your gonna put 2 and 2 together and put him
> > > away.
> >
> > No, actually, you're not. At least, you shouldn't. If they're fiction, they
> > have no base for a nonfictional case against you. If you HAD the materials for a
> > bomb in the house, that would be one thing, but plans?
>
> Well if the guy lived in Northern Island I bet he'd be put away under the
> prevention of terroism act. In the right climate a government will make for
> itself, laws strong enough to defeat the current challenge against it. My
> earlier answears may have been a bit over simplified. A civil case is
> generally only brought in this country if the CPS (Crown Prosecution
> Service) think they can win it.
I see now - you don't live in the US, so you just can't quite appreciate the freedoms
we have (they're eroding, though, unfortunately. And if more people in the US think
like you, they'll erode much faster).
> > You scare me.
>
> Who scares you more? Me or the bloke with prior convictions locked away for
> writing the filth.
YOU. Him I may never run into. But if too many people think like you, the government
will end up trampling all over me. It's a lot harder to run/hide from the gubmint
than from an individual.
> And maybe the 20 years comment was a bit of a gut reaction. I'd be
> satisified if they detained him indefinately, gave him psytriatric care and
> released him once he was deemed to be re-habilitated. I think the fact his
> actions we're discovere'd shows the system working for once.
I think is shows how broken the system is:
#1 - the journal shouldn't have ever made it into evidence
#2 - the case should have never been brought against him
#3 - the judge should have never let the verdict stand
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Tom Stangl
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| (...) I can't beleive your more scared of me! When we're you intending to run into me? you've already acknowledged I live in a different country. Is your fear of governmental oppression intellectual or paranoid? (bit below the belt, but what the hey (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Well if the guy lived in Northern Island I bet he'd be put away under the prevention of terroism act. In the right climate a government will make for itself, laws strong enough to defeat the current challenge against it. My earlier answears (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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