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I resign from the LPRV committee —Kevin L. Clague

The story you are about to hear is true, but the names were changed to protect the innocent..... Freddy-engineer used to really enjoy Tengul, a park where he and friends talked about their favorite toy, LEGO. Freddy enjoyed this park very much and (...) (19 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general) !!

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —David Koudys

In lugnet.admin.general, Kevin L. Clague wrote: <snip> (...) Few things-- First, love the story telling abilities of Kevin--whilst being offended at what actually transpired (as I still am, but that's neither here nor there), I still smiled because (...) (19 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Jeff Findley

(...) I posted a possible solution to some of the Spotlight issues here: (URL) In summary, I think it would be possible to give indivuals control over the weightings used to determine spotlights. This way, the person who wants MOC's spotlighted more (...) (19 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —David Koudys

(...) I like the solution but the implementation of the solution might be prohibitive--the coders would have to weigh in to see how feasable that is. If it requires a complete rewrite of LUGNET's current software, well, that'd be a little crazy... (...) (19 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Dan Boger

(...) I think it shouldn't be very hard to implement. Have to add a chaching mechanism so that each member's version would be updated no more than once an hour, and not at all if they're not currently browsing. It would also work as a better gauge (...) (19 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —David Eaton

(...) Huh. So, rather than keep an individual's ranked posts, you'd just keep an "everyone with settings in configuration X" sort of thing. Makes sense. I wonder if there could be a limited number of configurations to start with, in case it *is* a (...) (19 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Dan Boger

(...) I wasn't thinking of that, actually, but it could be done. Basically generate a signature of the user's settings, and cache the spotlight for that signature. That would mean that multiple people sharing the same config (skip filter + spotlight (...) (19 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Frank Filz

(...) Hmm, some good thoughts. Can we move this discussion to lugnet.admin.suggestions, and could someone start a new thread there, capturing the discussion so far? Frank FUT: lugnet.admin.suggestions (19 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Frank Filz

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Dan Boger

(...) Sure - but I thought technical development stuff belongs in .admin.general? Eventually, we'll really need an admin.dev though. (19 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)

Re: Spotlight Filter —David Eaton

(...) I think the *best* thing to do would be to have users put their own rankings in. "Posts to .pirates get +2, posts to .fabuland get -1, posts by my buddy get +1, etc". But that means re-ranking things constantly, since there's no time limit (...) (19 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: Spotlight Filter —David Eaton

(...) Oops, my mistake-- I'm told there's a limit of posts within 10 days. Hence the re-ranking has to query all posts within 10 days (roughly 1000 posts at the current level of traffic). (That does admittedly make FAR more sense-- I always thought (...) (19 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: Spotlight Filter —Jeff Findley

(...) This is pretty much exactly what I was thinking. The calculation of the "top 50", without weightings, shouldn't be much more expensive than the current calculation of the "top 10". This is because you've got to calculate a score for every (...) (19 years ago, 19-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

How to Spotlight (was: I resign from the LPRV committe)e —Rick Clark

(...) How's about this: Instead of a 10 item list of spotlighted threads, why not two 5 (or however many) item lists? One of spotlighted MOCs, and the other spotlighted non-MOC topics. Shouldn't be too hard to code, and seems to solve the problem (...) (19 years ago, 19-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Leonard Hoffman

Kevin, You speak as if you are some great martyr for a cause. Well, I hope you get what you want - whatever that is. I personally find this whole post wrong, misinformed and offensive. The fact that it already has so many spotlights just makes me (...) (19 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Marc Nelson Jr.

(...) "(URL) Apres nous, le deluge>", eh? If the admins had some positive achievements to justify their sense of self-importance, perhaps we wouldn't be in this mess. Marc Nelson Jr. (URL) Marc's Creations>> (19 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Leonard Hoffman

(...) Most of our achievements have been in the under-lying structure of Lugnet, and in the preparation for the Transition. Every time some big drama explodes, it pulls us away from that it makes it harder for us to get the spirit enough to dive (...) (19 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Dan Boger

(...) Actually, I'm really happy to hear that - is there anything you can tell us about how the Transition is going? Because from an outsider's point of view (well, outside of the LT), it seems like it's been abandoned. :/ (19 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general) !

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Leonard Hoffman

(...) I can understand that concern. The past few months, we have been focusing on particular issues rather than general ones - policies on how to enforce the 'no cursing' rule vs. working the Transition (from private ownership to 'public' (...) (19 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Orion Pobursky

(...) Hi Lenny, You're a great guy. When I met you for the first time 2 years ago you seemed to be an intelligent person with well thought out ideas. However, is this the best response you can come up with? Kevin made some very relevant and poignant (...) (19 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Leonard Hoffman

(...) No. I was very upset by Kevin's post - specifically how he characterized me (aka Jacko-dmin), and the other admins. I went through five different drafts. I don't think this was the best responce possible, but I wanted to do something - rather (...) (19 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Orion Pobursky

(...) Understandable in light of the situation. However, heat of the moment replies have typically gotten me in trouble in the past (one word: draconian) which is why I waited to reply to Kevin's post. I think this is good advice for all Lugnet (...) (19 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Leonard Hoffman

(...) Being a History major, I can tell you that there is no such thing as a 'no spin story.' Every narrative carries with it the prejudices and biases of the story teller - every story has a point-of-view. In the West, we have worked very hard (...) (19 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Kevin L. Clague

In lugnet.admin.general, Orion Pobursky wrote: Orion, Give me a call and I'll tell you the truth as I know it. Kevin (19 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Kevin L. Clague

(...) Lenny, Please elucidate where you know factually that I was wrong. (...) This issue *is not* about me. (...) Lenny, you presume much about my motivations. I'd prefer that you speak only for yourself. The timing of the writing of the document (...) (19 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general) !

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Kevin L. Clague

Lenny, I'm still waiting for a response to this post. It has many questions directed specifically to you, including a request for specifics about the generalized comment that I am a liar. You claim you suspended Chris based on his LUGNET behavior, (...) (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Legends of Todd —David Eaton

(...) Ok, I'm going to say again what I've been saying privately-- I wholeheartedly disagree. People want to see what's going on. That's how communities work. My current view on the LTT is that they're trying to turn Lugnet into a cold-exteriored (...) (19 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general) !!

Re: Legends of Todd —David Koudys

In lugnet.admin.general, David Eaton wrote: <snip> (...) I completely concur with everything DaveE just stated (as if that's worth anything...) Dave K (19 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: Legends of Todd —Leonard Hoffman

(...) An excellent post, Dave. A few things I want to touch on - the Admins' basic idea of how the P&P process would work is essentially what you described here. We write it, work on it. Share it with a few people and get their input, get the (...) (19 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: Legends of Todd —Orion Pobursky

(...) I posted this already but this is not the impression that I got from the announcement post or various other conversions with those involved. The impression I got was that the committee was going to generate the P&P and then it would be (...) (19 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: Legends of Todd —Leonard Hoffman

(...) Isn't it possible for people to discuss something even if it is currently being implemented? Or is it the point that something should be submitted to the community before implementation just for the sake of it? In which case, does the (...) (19 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: Legends of Todd —Marc Nelson Jr.

(...) Not if the policy being implemented has the effect of inhibiting discussion or making that discussion irrelevant. Marc Nelson Jr. (URL) Marc's Creations>> (19 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)

Re: Legends of Todd —Leonard Hoffman

(...) I'm sorry Marc, but the idea of Admins inhibiting discussion on Lugnet is laughable. When have we ever done that or attempted to do that? Admins cannot force edits or cancels - but can only do so when requested by a member. And if the (...) (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)

Re: Legends of Todd —Orion Pobursky

(...) In my opinion, no, especially if the implementation directly affect those whould would discuss it. For example: The club you belong to forms a committee to review the dress code. It just so happens (by coincidenece) that everyone on the (...) (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: Legends of Todd —Leonard Hoffman

(...) To me, "abiding by the unfair ban while arguing with the committee" is a worthwhile thing to do. Since, this might happen even if the policy is submitted to the membership. TO use your example - what if you are gone on the day the ban is (...) (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: Legends of Todd —Tony Alexander

(...) Using an example from our history, Rosa Parks sat where she dam-well pleased; had she abided, things would be much different now. Free expression of ideas has for some time now been stifled on LUGNET - Opposing viewpoints, regardless of (...) (19 years ago, 23-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: Legends of Todd —Leonard Hoffman

(...) Rosa Parks did what she did because the establishment was not interested in hearing her voice. Lugnet Admins, on the other hand, have always be interested in hearing the voices of all members and users of Lugnet. I don't see the need for civil (...) (19 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: Legends of Todd —Tony Alexander

(...) Again, I'm at work, and can't give this better attention until tonight if I get the chance, but: While this may be true in theory, it seems that many here **think** that the establishment is not interested in their opinions, and may feel (...) (19 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Tim David

What on earth are you talking about? What is the LPRV committee? And why does your message have lines that cause me to need to scroll across about three screen widths? Tim (19 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Terry Prosper

(...) snip-a-lot Hello Kevin and everyone. I have to say that I have absolutely no clue has what you are referring to. I could try to guess, but then again, I could simply ignore the whole thing since it probably doesn't concern me on a personnal (...) (19 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —David Eaton

(...) The subject of Kevin's message is in regards to Chris Magno's timeout specifically (along with some other heated debates at the time), and the LPRV committee that was established not long ago who were asked to assist Lugnet in smoothing out (...) (19 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Terry Prosper

(...) I remember that, since I was time-out with Chris... (...) Thank you very much for your explanation. I wish Kevin would have explained it that clearly, although I salute his imagination and his style. Now, here's my opinion about all this. (...) (19 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

resignations —Bruce Hietbrink

Hey, Just wanted to add my two cents that I'm saddened by both of these resignations. It's really too bad that accusations fly and people get upset over something that's supposed to be fun for all of us. I know that both of you are very active (...) (19 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Eric Sophie

D@$#n it! Where is my big stick, WHO is ticking off Kevin! You got to deal with me! Sad Sad Sad, Kevin is the progenetor of many useful technologies, somebody had better show him some respect! I have power of banishment to .duplo! Who wants some? (...) (19 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Brian Davis

In lugnet.admin.general, Kevin L. Clague wrote: [snip] Having cut my internet teeth on USENET, I generally try to stay out of such discussions, but the wonderful prose did spawn one thing I wanted to make publicly know... Certainly me, and likely (...) (19 years ago, 19-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Gene Potter

Now, I have been lurking for a LONG time, but have known the name of Kevin L. Clague as one that has come up with many useful and interesting technologies revolving around 'Tengul'. Why is it that there is so much hatred amongst people of all ages (...) (19 years ago, 20-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —

Kelly McKiernan

(...) First, thank you for your efforts with the LPRV committee, Kevin. Even though you and others felt you could not continue the process, I still believe it's a vital component in getting LUGNET back on track, and I'm hopeful that the review (...) (19 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —David Koudys

In lugnet.admin.general, Kelly McKiernan wrote: <snip lotsa goodstuff> (...) The first step, in my humble opinion, isn't accuracy, it's transparency. We're not in Kindergarten, where the teacher has to set everything up 'behind the scenes' and then (...) (19 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —

Kelly McKiernan

(...) You bring up some good and valid points, especially regarding perception of opacity. It's a real issue, and it's something we're trying to improve on. In this specific example (the LPRV committee and process documentation), I do think there's (...) (19 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —David Koudys

(...) LUGNET historians might remember the flurry of posts about CP and cp--community policing. It was all in the open and we all chimed in and we all hashed it out (at least those of us who felt strongly about it) (...) Again, perception, even if (...) (19 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Leonard Hoffman

(...) I don't know about all of this. People keep talking about transparency and how great it all is, but exactly what do you want to see? Do you want the Admin emails to be public? Do you want to see every draft of public pronouncements? To use the (...) (19 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Jason S. Mantor

You mentioned the efficiency of a tiered review process as a reason for not making everything about lugnet administration public. I don't buy that. I submit that efficency is irrelavent to the problem at hand and I beleive that recent events clearly (...) (19 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Leonard Hoffman

(...) No personal offense intended - have you ever run a large community forum, or managed people? There is a big difference in how people think things should be run when they have actually had to run things. (...) I think that the LPRV Committee (...) (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Ross Crawford

(...) I too had high hopes for the LPRC. Has it officially failed? (...) Well I guess there's several viewpoints on those reasons too, but I would be interested in what (in your opinion) caused it to fail. ROSCO (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Leonard Hoffman

(...) I don't think there is much officiality to the failures it has experienced. I don't think the Admins have called for it to be disbanded yet. I don't know. (...) I think the committee's effectiveness was seriously damaged by Kevin publically (...) (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Chris Magno

Leonard Hoffman wrote: If Kevin felt he couldn't in good faith (...) re: your last 5 words See, this is what people mean when they say transparency. (1) I have a HUGE post to go public, but i am sitting on it. WHY, cause out of respect i am hoping (...) (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Larry Pieniazek

(...) I'll say this, I'm still hopeful that the LPRV will pick up where it left off and get back to work. Maybe now it can. I owe the LPRV a significant sized post with answers to the questions that were asked about various technical and intention (...) (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —David Koudys

In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) Possibly due to the perceived lack of faith from 'the community' towards the admin team in a few areas, such as, and this is one example--dealing with apparent transgressions in an (...) (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —

Kelly McKiernan

(...) Some very good comments in this thread (Dave and Larry especially have brought up some salient points), I'd like to paraphrase what I understand as the key learnings, with my comments in italics. LUGNET staff (admins) need to be aware of how (...) (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Rob Hendrix

"Kelly J. McKiernan" <kelly.mckiernan@lugnet.com> wrote in message news:IFCuJu.A4A@lugnet.com... (...) Italics would work so much better if I weren't using the NNTP interface... (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —

Kelly McKiernan

(...) Yeah, I know, you'd think as a web developer I'd take better care of the various presentation methods. There's a dash between the key learning and comment, that should help a little. Kelly McKiernan LUGNET Administrator (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Grups —Andy Evans

(...) Grups is from the original Star Trek series -- the show where the kids die after reaching puberty. Andy Evans (Who's staying out of the debate, but is always ready to rise to the challenge of Star Trek trivia!) (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: Grups —David Koudys

In lugnet.admin.general, Andy Evans wrote: <snip> (...) If I recall (strokes chin thoughtfully), the ep. was called 'Miri'--the oldest girl who started having a crush on JTK. As well, if I recall, it was either this one or 'The Children Shall Lead' (...) (19 years ago, 23-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Leonard Hoffman

(...) What, you haven't been reading all two hundred posts over the past few days and the four hundred emails discussing how best to respond. (...) Well thanks Chris. Maybe you could tell us what that 'something' is that you're waiting for? (...) (...) (19 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Tony Alexander

(...) I have managed several quick-serve restauarant businesses, in one of which I had responsibility over more than 50 employees. I also managed 2 college dormitory floors, one with over 100 residents, both with residents from around the world. A (...) (19 years ago, 23-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Different than an online community, I'm sure you would agree, but clearly a source of a lot of useful insight, thanks for sharing it. (...) And elsewhere, that's been my management experience (in real life) as well. (snipped the rest, all (...) (19 years ago, 23-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Tony Alexander

(...) I'm sure there are many ways to define this, but what I mean is being so strict about following the minutiae of rules and regulations that enforcement becomes/is perceived as becoming overbearing, personal rather than professional, punitive, (...) (19 years ago, 23-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Larry Pieniazek

(...) I'm not going to reply in detail (although there is stuff I agree with and stuff I disagree with...) Instead, I'm going to ask you how *you* would handle a particular post, as an exercise. (URL) a post that flogs. There is nothing in that post (...) (19 years ago, 23-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Chris Magno

(...) Yes Larry it is EASY! I KNOW what ~I~ would do. walk away! ignore it. IF this is what you did, then good for you. if not...... (shrug) more of the same-ol' same-ol' i guess. The ToU and its enfocement should be more about the "spirit" then the (...) (19 years ago, 23-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

The light touch (was Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Larry Pieniazek

(...) OK, to clarify, in your opinion, are you saying this particular clause of the ToU should not be enforced at all? Or just not in this particular case with respect to this particular post? If not at all, why not? It's really a hot button with (...) (19 years ago, 23-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Anders Isaksson

(...) The question was not directed at me, but I can give *my* perception of the situation. "No-one bothered to comment in public on the offense" This means that other people, reading just the groups, not having insight into private e-mails, other (...) (19 years ago, 23-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Tony Alexander

Quick note: I'm at work on lunch break, and can't give this the thought I want to word it as well as it should be... (...) Nobody's perfect, and everybody makes mistakes. I'm not sure if it constitues a TOU violation, as I'm not as well-versed in (...) (19 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Mike Walsh

"Tony Alexander" <tw0nst3r@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:IFIJDx.FMy@lugnet.com... [ ... snipped ... ] (...) should (...) that (...) there (...) [ ... snipped ... ] Shouldn't Admin posting such as the one above be posted by "LUGNET Admin" as (...) (19 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

light touches (was Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Yes. If posting an official warning is the right level of touch, that is. I said that after Tony had a chance to answer, I'd say what the admins did, and my guess at why. I'm still hoping Chris will answer why he thinks nothing should be done, (...) (19 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Tony Alexander

(...) Sorry to reply to my own post, but a few caveats (still at work, but thought of more and had a chance): * I'm a member/user, not an admin; as such, my immediate reply to seeing this post would have been: "Hmmm...not technic...on to the next (...) (19 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —David Eaton

(...) (it's possible other circumstances might alter this slightly, like if it's been excessively long between offenses-- like-- years, or if the user consciously defies being told otherwise): 1) First time offender A) Someone (officially or not) (...) (19 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Chris Magno

(...) so why not here??? (...) can this be discussed now and here? please. (...) YOU guys are/were heavy handed. IMO. The other approach is the one that tony so eloquently described. LESS is more. That's a serious question. It's easy to say that the (...) (19 years ago, 23-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general) !

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Jason S. Mantor

No offense taken, Lenny. My day job for the last seven years has been "administering" an e-commerce web site that encompasses several hundred different organizations and handles anywhere from 5 to 7 billion US dollars in transactions each year. I (...) (19 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —David Eaton

(...) Another personal preference: don't call it a committee. Treat it casually. "We asked some people if they wouldn't mind giving us some feedback". Calling it a committee implies that it's a group with power and responsibility. It could possibly (...) (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —

Kelly McKiernan

(...) For informal functions, that's probably a good idea. The LPRV, on the other hand, did/does have real power and responsibility: the power to change and steer and directly influence an important part of LUGNET's direction, and the responsibility (...) (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Kevin L. Clague

In lugnet.admin.general, Kelly McKiernan wrote: <snip> (...) Nowhere in the charter did it say "stay on task and avoid time-consuming loops like debating personalities or picking apart past actions". Why would you create a charter with the working (...) (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —

Kelly McKiernan

(...) That was my paraphrasing of the original information I saw about the purpose for the committee, I apologize for not being specific. (...) I'm assuming the "you" is directed at the LTT, and not me personally, so I'll respond as such. The (...) (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Kevin L. Clague

(...) <snip> (...) You are correct. I was referring to the LTT as a group. Had you been chair I would have had much more faith in the process. <snip> (...) It most certainly was what I received. (...) I do not beleive that the way Chris was (...) (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —David Eaton

(...) I think this is a fantastic discussion-- one that we started on the list, but (as I've said on the list) I *REALLY* want admin feedback like this from admins on a continual basis. Seriously, this is the most effectual I've felt yet about the (...) (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Ross Crawford

In lugnet.admin.general, Kelly McKiernan wrote: Thanks, Kelly, for your comments about this. I have only one point I'd like to make: (...) Whereas I think it is inevitable *eventually*. That's not a slur against admins, it's just human nature. But (...) (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —David Eaton

(...) Well, as far as I could tell, the LPRV pretty much just had the privilage to see the document before it went into effect. And, I'm not opposed to that, really. I mean, I fully recognize and support the desire to strengthen a document before (...) (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: LPRV? —Ross Crawford

(...) Well, I had to pick somewhere to ask this, I chose here... I would like to know where the "V" came from? I never saw anything that started with "V" attached to (URL) the committee charter>, only the "V" in "review". Was it just a typo that (...) (19 years ago, 26-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)

Re: LPRV? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) The V in review. I didn't pick it! Matt did I think because he set up the list (1) I would have went with LPPRC (Lugnet Policy & Procedure Review Committee) Too late now though! 1 - you do-s the work you get-s to picks the acronymie-s (19 years ago, 26-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Kevin L. Clague

(...) <snip> (...) This is a huge point. Proofreaders. My perception of the group was that we were not able to agree or disagree with anything in the document, rather we were to simply point out syntax and grammar mistakes. Given that I openly don't (...) (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: I resign from the LPRV committee —Kevin L. Clague

In lugnet.admin.general, Kevin L. Clague wrote: <snip> (...) Larry has provided me with convincing evidence that the email breakdown from his work to me on yahoo was not his doing. I will ask this though, given that you knew the email conduit was (...) (19 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)