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(...) My comment was also meant to cover expedient “trial” of the chap caught abusing prisoners in Iraq… I think it lasted ~1 hour. (...) I don't have time to list my concerns about SH’s appearance yesterday. It is suffice to say that I have yet to (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sovereign, maybe, democratic no way. At least until proper elections take place, Iraq is still a technical dictatorship. So call it whatever else you want to at this stage. (...) You may be right, but I wouldn't be so vehement in condemning (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Awww. "Haliburton" again???? (...) Awww. More "puppet" talk? (...) We always could, even from SH if we wanted! (...) But that is precisely my point-- OBL was acting independently from the policies of his country, so equating the nationality of (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) At the request of the sovereign, democratic nation of Iraq. (...) Look again. You'll see elections are on the horizon-- a concept quite foreign to dictators. (...) I have no response to the ignorance of this one. (...) If that is not the (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The last time I looked Bush: had ~140,000 troops in Iraq. had installed a dictator in iraq. was conducting show trials there. If that is not control, what is? (...) ...and where is that oil flowing to? Your "SUV" perhaps? (...) I'm not (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) John's right. Haliburton will make it's money just from infrastructure contracts, the oil in this case is almost secondary. And anyway, the puppet democrazy that we establish isn't going to be hostile to us even if the people are. So we'll get (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh well, I guess the US should just try to take over the whole world now - they have no more credibility to lose. ROSCO (20 years ago, 2-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Fine; put it this way: there are a great deal of countries on both sides. Saying "the world clearly thinks it isn't obvious" is a gross distortion. (...) Not controlling the flow of oil (or do you have cites for that?), but enabling the free (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmmmm appears I may have got some suspect intelligence on that one. ROSCO (20 years ago, 2-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yep, just got back from camping and I sees that the Lie-berals managed to squeak thru. Now with the wonderfulness that is a 'minority gov't', Canada can possibly look forward to another election within two years (the longest minority gov't in (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Bush Jr: "freedom is beautiful". Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not sure (URL) he> was ever there, but he's not there now... "In June 2003, Padilla was designated an enemy combatant at the order of President George W. Bush. As as result of this designation, he was removed from the U.S. criminal justice (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (Puts on pedantic hat again) I believe there has been at least one US citizen at said club, name of Jose Padilla, but maybe he has been moved? ROSCO (20 years ago, 30-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Mmmm, and just when I was thinking that we should quit the allegiance to the Queen thingie, and get all republicy. Particularly me with my pro-Irish sentiments. It turns out that we have already essentially signed up as a US state (and a (...) (20 years ago, 30-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Mmmmmm. I think that terrorist organisations the world over probably each have something similar in their manifesto. Richard Still baldly going... (20 years ago, 30-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) SH would have far too much to say. I'll eat my hat if we get to hear his defence before the US elections... Bush has too much to hide. (...) Yes. But they may have been asked to ask. ;) The (URL) ICRC> may have helped things along: "Washington (...) (20 years ago, 30-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I see your point; I suppose I have more faith in your countrymen's self-respect. ;) Anyhow, without the support of Tony B.Liar et al it is doubtful that Bush would be in the mess he is today. The past week or so has shown that his (& the (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Looks like you were wrong ;) I'm anxiously awaiting our own federal election some time later this year. What with that, a US election in Nov, and Tony Blair showing a bit of spirit, maybe the world will seem a different place next year. Then (...) (20 years ago, 30-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, Hussein hasn't been charged yet either, and it's arguable whether or not he will get a "fair & open" trial, but I find it amazing how the US is falling over itself to hand him over, while the Cuba detainees sit & wait for a tribunal that (...) (20 years ago, 30-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I have hopes for Ralph's Son, Uri Nader -lenny (20 years ago, 29-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But what you don't understand is that this is an asset. Unencumbered by world regard, we can do anything, anywhere. Who's going to stop us? Chris (20 years ago, 29-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...meanwhile, the USA's reputation overseas nosedives. Scott A (20 years ago, 29-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I think it is time Oz re-joined the Empire. ;) Scott A (20 years ago, 29-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Some quick research turns up that I am a little out of date - he's been (URL) charged> now. Its an interesting document. The rest of the summary seems pretty much spot on. (URL) seems to have been more or less the state of play before the (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't think Bush'll be in trouble over this one. He can just smirk out of the TV at us and say that 'Merica was made safer for the three or four years that they were held illegally and that he was willing to do whatever it took. Many of my (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Gawd! If you're presenting an accurate view, that really is disgusting. They should have demanded their people back long ago. Chris (20 years ago, 29-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yup. Indeed, as I understand it Australia is one of the few (perhaps the only) country with nationals involved who has NOT asked for them back. Apparently at the time our dudes did whatever undisclosed thing that they may at some stage be (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Tony B.Liar may be up for re-election next year. His closeness to Bush has become a major electoral (URL). To mitigate this, he is trying show he is not 100% lapdog. As a result, the UK Attorney General noisily (and rightly) (URL) rejected> (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I get the feeling Bush has painted himself into a corner with this one: If he releases these guys people will wonder why they were ever held to start with. If these guys do get their day in court, it is clear that the "evidence" will be (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) David Hicks to serve any sentence in Australia>, these questionable detentions seem to be heading in the right direction. Let's hope the Military Tribunals do not end up being (URL) show trials>. ROSCO (20 years ago, 28-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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3 important cases today, although one would wish for wider findings (as always) (URL) (20 years ago, 28-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I expect you are correct. I was trying to highlight the chaos in Iraq to show how little Iraqis are benefiting from the billions of $$$ which are being transferred to Bush’s corporate buddies in their name. Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 28-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (much snippage) (...) Ok, fair enough. I will try to do better going forward. (...) Here's someone else that just popped up making the same, or a similar, point. (URL) (20 years ago, 28-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So what about Saudi Arabia? It seems like you keep dodging the fact that SA is a much, much, much more significant player than Iraq given the very criteria that you just listed. Do you imagine that it could have anything to do with the very (...) (20 years ago, 28-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I find myself largely in agreement with Scott. But there is this: (...) Actually, they leave them because when the truck gets a flat in an insecure zone, they would rather torch the truck and leave it a flaming wreck than have their personnel (...) (20 years ago, 28-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It did. (...) Sure, let's get rid of the veto. Lets go back and look at all the resolutions against Israel. Would the NeoCons in Washington like that? Scott A (20 years ago, 28-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Add to that the UK and a growing number of your own countrymen. (...) ...and Bush wanted to remove him at the expense of the Iraqi people. Scott A (20 years ago, 28-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) John, do you really believe this codswallop? This (URL) article> argues that security costs are eating up 25% of reconstruction contracts and that insurance brokers selling sudden-death policies to contractors in Iraq have doubled their (...) (20 years ago, 28-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Name all those that you feel see it as "obvious", subtract that from everyone else, and you will have "a great deal". (...) Seems obvious even to you that is NOT about freeing the people of Iraq, but controlling the flow of oil (which was (...) (20 years ago, 28-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That seems to imply you think the current war wasn't a legitimate opportunity. But I know that can't be right... ROSCO (20 years ago, 28-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "A great deal"?, or mostly France and Germany (who had national interests in seeing SH remain in power-- at the expense of the Iraqi people). (...) I think everyone would agree that the free flow of oil is in the best interests of our country (...) (20 years ago, 28-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No. And the "no" answer should be obvious because clearly a great deal of the world clearly thinks it isn't obvious. We are fighting for what Bush's crowd thinks is "our" (U.S.) interests, or would like us to believe is our (no quotes) (...) (20 years ago, 27-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You are either not listening or being deliberately obtuse. We did not start a war with the people of Iraq; we simply deposed their oppressive government whom we perceived as a potential threat. We are fighting for Iraq, not against Iraq. Isn't (...) (20 years ago, 27-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Students get money for basics; food, accommodation, travel to Uni, etc. (...) I have no idea what the costs are in the USA… sorry! (...) An educated workforce makes investment more likely. Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 27-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, I wasn't even there! Soo, do you have a cite for that???(1) (grins, ducks, runs). (...) 1 - that's my roundabout way of admitting that maybe, just maybe, a valid point has been made by Dave! (20 years ago, 27-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I like your idea of fighting back--Larry punches me in the face so, using 'John Logic', I'd punch, well, John in the face. Iraq didn't provoke you. There were no Iraqi's responsible for 9/11. There were, however, a large number of Saudis. Iraq (...) (20 years ago, 27-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) YOU: "See, it was perpetrated on us by those dirty, little, brown people from (flutters hand in silly gesture) over there. I mean, come on...they all look and sound alike. So you see, we're justified to attack any nation full of brown people (...) (20 years ago, 27-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You gotta love the friendliest place on the internet... Chris (20 years ago, 26-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, sure. I wrote that I was making up the numbers. What exactly do you mean? (...) What's that mean? (...) Well, yeah, so you're agreeing with my number? (...) Right. I don't know. And I don't know how much it would change as the university (...) (20 years ago, 26-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We are talking about different things. I was speaking about the war on terrorism in general; the fight against Muslim extremists who have been murdering innocents around the world for some time now. War was "declared" on the world a long time (...) (20 years ago, 26-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Speaking of rewriting history.... (...) I meant that we finally started fighting back with 9-11. (...) Well, Chris, I guess you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how stupid and offensive it is. JOHN (20 years ago, 26-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That does not have to be the case. (...) Don’t forget a means tested term-time subsistence grant. (...) I'm really talking about 4 year degree courses. If we set a target of 50% of the population going to Uni, then the average would be two (...) (20 years ago, 26-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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It looks like this is a followup to this (URL) a couple months ago, but I just found this (URL) and thought the negative implications of market research under the guise of keeping families together were interesting. I'm setting FUT to l.o-t.d since (...) (20 years ago, 26-Jun-04, to lugnet.legoland, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The way I figure it, you should only be looking at an individual's consumption and 'payback.' I'll use what I consider pretty conservative figures so that the fact that I'm just making numbers up won't paint a rosier picture than is (...) (20 years ago, 26-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And besides, we started that war too. (...) I'm pretty sure that John _does_ mean they started it with 9/11. To claim that there were no Iraqis involved really misses the point, I think. See, it was perpetrated on us by those dirty, little, (...) (20 years ago, 26-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Careful with financial assessments of the costs of the war. Generally they tally what was spent by the government, not the cost. What of the externalised costs borne by others? The value of the lost American lives (the cost of which is borne (...) (20 years ago, 26-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Tiny? Really? Ok, what would "free university tuition" cost per household? What would the benefits be? Compare that to this war. Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 26-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You can rewrite history all you want but your adminisgtration *did* start this war--The US invaded Iraq. Iraq being a sovereign nation at the time that made no direct threats towards the US, no matter what the US administration wanted the (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Beg pardon? The war in Iraq? Dubya absolutely did begin that war, and he is directly and personally responsible for every death and injury resulting from it. (...) If the quagmire lasts as long as it is likely to last, then those minors are (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Why is that my task? I'm not asserting that your claim is false but rather that your assertions don't support it. (...) That, too, may be a matter of perspective. If your claim is that Moore is not factual, then you must document his (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Leahy could induce even the Pope to curse;-) JOHN (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) They are a part of it only insofar as we have started to fight back. We did not begin this war. (...) Perhaps, but minors are not those people. JOHN (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmmm, I've got the impression that if 3400 USD worth of LEGO suddenly appeared in your basement, you might not even notice. I'm insanely jealous, by the way. ;^) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ya, but is this war, on balance, worth more to me than a month of private schooling? I'm not sure. Both of these things have very hard to measure benefits. I'd suggest we compare against 3400 USD worth of LEGO (where the benefits are (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Doesn't sound right. That figure is tiny compared to some of the ideas proposed here, such as free university tuition. I think you could only get about a month of schooling at a private university for that price. (You can't compare to tuition (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd agree with this, it's not in contention. (since I am one of the members of the set of people you describe) (...) Fair enough. I took your meaning as: "to be taken seriously by others" which I think is a reasonable meaning to have taken, (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Here's the bit in question, if I'm reading you correctly: Stop by the website of the American Nationalist Union if you want to see some serious, non-Democrat criticism of Dubya. My use of "serious" in this context coincides with (URL) this (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I misunderstood what you meant by "serious" then, or you misused the word. (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) OK, The support needed is rather different, though. You need to support with logic that my characterisations of Moore somehow falsify what I said.\ I need to support by showing that Moore isn't factual, and that his assertions don't follow (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) Hot off the presses!> Our Copresident seems to embrace a colorful rhetorical style that could cause he Congressional record to lose its "PG" rating. I wonder--will Cheney be forced by the FCC to pay an unreasonably huge fine because of (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ah, I see. Sorry. I thought you meant that the group opposed the airing of the film itself, rather than the commercials advertising for the film. I'll need to think about that. (...) Moore's actions may collaterally support Kerry, but Moore (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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If the cost is (URL) $3,400> per household, what is the value of the benefits? Scott A (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I enjoyed (URL) this> about the same group. Scott A (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Heh. No--I only found the site at all because some well-meaning activist left a copy of the organization's newsletter on my windshield, and I was so horrified by the xenophobia and isolationism that I couldn't resist visiting the site itself. (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Because the willful choice not to support your argument is indistinguishable from forfeiting the argument, I accept this as your forfeiture. If it is not your intent to forfeit, then I invite you to support your argument, as you have demanded (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Seriously, only a thinker could come up with such a strategy. (...) It is also commonly applied in classroom management and even juvenile delinquency rehabilitation. It's an awsomely powerful technique that reinforces the notion that kids will (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Wow that's a 1st. My firewall thinks that site is too "aggressive" for my innocent eyes... Dave, are you trying to radicalise us? Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'd only have a problem with this if the advert's content subjectively criticises Bush's record. Does it? If I were you, I'd be more concerned about bias in the news media. I read (URL) yesterday> that after spending $80,000,000(1) on an (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You could well be right. I don't know who came up with it. I recall being a bit surprised myself the first time I heard it being applied in practice. Since then I have seen it work successfully on a factory floor, in a sales force, and in a (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (snip) (...) I think your analogy is faulty. The group is specifically concerned about TV commercial time. (...) I can't remember where I heard this, and my attempts to locate the info were unsuccessful. Let me get back to you on that if I (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Your command of the obvious is impressive. Sorry I didn't snip the "or pay our dues" part; glad you found the "imprecision" amusing. Pettifogging makes boring conversation IMO. For instance if I were to rejoin by saying that your use of "its" (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I love the imprecision of this :-) Perhaps 'it is not possible for the US to pay its dues' - and its not like the US doesn't have buckets of money, so presumably its debt to the world (personified in many ways by the UN) is overwhelmingly (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The evidence has been presented here in the past and I'm not inclined to dig it up again. (...) Cites please? I'm not pro-corporate by any stretch of the imagination, unless you're anti-capitalist and don't see the distinction between (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Two points 1) Some of the stuff that's one link away from that website talks about conspiracies of Illuminati and Zionists and etc to impose a New World Order. I'm not sure how seriously that site's going to be taken based on that particular (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) By that reasoning, FoxNews, the National Register, and The Wall Street Journal should likewise be regulated as pro-Bush political commercials. (...) Are they? I haven't heard that--do you have a citation? And even if the DNC is buying tickets, (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Taking the bait (was Re: Fair use and allusion?)
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(...) Let's review: In post 24440 (ie, the post-at-hand) you rattled off a litany of negative descriptors, identifying Moore as a "waste of food and total twit" who is "without shame," who "is mostly wrong about stuff," and whose "approach to his (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True, they very well might, as the law is written. But it's beside the point. 'd have more respect for them if they came out against the law instead of using it against their opponents. Just as I said I'd have more respect for Clinton if he (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: UN Gets it Right!
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(...) I trust you do not mean that war crimes are constitutional? ;) (...) I'm sure many others would say Bush heading it would also be a "farce". After all, it is Bush's record on human rights which stopped him getting the ICC exemption extended. (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think they have a case. How would a commercial promoting a movie that criticizes a political candidate differ in kind from a commercial criticizing a political candidate paid for by a political opponent? And besides, the group is only (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: (snip)... because there's no need to repeat it, especially if it goes unanswered by Dave!(1) But, tangentially related, here's a story (URL) which some conservative group apparently wants to block (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. (...) Yes. (...) Yes, and ride on with our trusty sidekick Britain. (...) This is not possible and unconstitutional. (...) It is a farce, as exemplified by Sudan heading the human rights advisory council. One world order is a pipe dream (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Why not just say "we, Yahoo, want everyone to use our client so we can send them ads and popups and keep users from thinking about using other IM services" instead of giving some gafla about spim. They can say whatever they want, if it's true, (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Cool. I think our one-sided participation in the "world community" is messed up. We should either withdraw from the UN, strap on the six-guns, and do our thing. Or pay our dues, submit to things like world courts, and go along to get along. (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Only nations can generate patriotic pride (Re: Some good news for a change, maybe?)
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(...) Cool! There's a lot of this kind of research and development coming out of Denmark. At least, much of the stuff I've previously found points back that way. Chris (20 years ago, 24-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oops. My bad. I guess I didn't read what was written...and now it's spawned off a stray conversation. Oh well. Now I wonder if I should go back and disagree with your actually point. :-) Chris (20 years ago, 24-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is a big "(URL)". But it looks like Bush will not get his way on this: (URL) War crimes immunity bid fails>-"For the past two years, I have spoken quite strongly against the exemption and I think it would be unfortunate for one to press (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is a minor point, but I thought he was succinct: "Don't get me wrong, government is critically important (like say, a decent sewerage system), but its highest achievement is to be just a tool." It was CW's response which shaped things. If (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Only nations can generate patriotic pride (Re: Some good news for a change, maybe?)
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(...) OK, thanks for clearing that up. I do hope you can see why we all misinterpreted your original wording though. (...) Neither. I think a government is *capable* of acting in ways that would make me feel patriotic, and in fact the US government (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Only nations can generate patriotic pride (Re: Some good news for a change, maybe?)
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(...) Have a look at (URL). (...) Very worthy. (...) I'm not surprised. I expect you select a contractor based on a mixture of price, connivance & personal recommendation. Everything else is based on trust. In the same way, most people just flush (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Serendipity & IBM
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(...) Put your flag away. By chance, I read (URL) this> is my newspaper yesterday about IBM: Gypsies win right to sue IBM over role in Holocaust - In 1936 IBM set up its European "headquarters" in Geneva. The appeals court ruling said: "It does not (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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