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Re: Fair use and allusion?
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:45:59 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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Not controlling the flow of oil (or do you have cites for that?), but
enabling the free flow of oil to occur. And I said I didn’t want to get
into corrupt UN policies...;-)
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John’s right. Haliburton will make it’s money just from infrastructure
contracts, the oil in this case is almost secondary. And anyway, the puppet
democrazy that we establish isn’t going to be hostile to us even if the people
are. So we’ll get all the oil we need.
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And no, it isn’t,since the evidence is the exact opposite - his
nationality does matter.
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So are you proposing another civil war because McVeigh and Nichols were
Americans? :-)
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I don’t get it. McVeigh may have been waging a civil war with no backing.
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That’s fine, except you carefully ignore my point: Bush is convenient on
what he wants to pay attention to and what he wants to ignore (an act that
he repeats to alarming degrees).
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Yes, and this brings us back to Chris’ original statement a while back-- the
US should tow the UN line or cut bait. I agree that pandering to the UN when
convenient is silly when everyone knows that we will act in our own best
interests when we need to (because sure as hell nobody else will!)
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You mean, we’ll act in the best interests of the corporatocracy. Attacking
Hussein wasn’t in my best interests.
It may well be that my best interests would be served by making some
sacrifices in short-term autonomy in order to gain world-wide trust and decrease
our offensive foreign policy. But maybe that’s just me.
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And I agree with that, but Bush only really mentions it in relation to our
own security, and where Iraq is going scares me more than Saddam ever did.
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A democratic Iraq scares you???
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A festering hatred for The West in a population that’s been beaten, starved,
shot, insulted, tortured, debased, and denied medical care but the US and
allies, simmering under a faux pro-West democracy scares me. Actually, it
sounds somewhat like the population of Iran leading up to the ousting of the
Shaw. And current Saudi Arabia. Oh, and Palestinians. Oops. We might have a
problem on our hands!
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“We are fighting for Iraq, not against Iraq. Isn’t this obvious?” And then
you agree with my assessment that we are NOT fighting for Iraq, but for our
own self-interest, and then say you are not shooting yourself in the foot
and are only being honest?
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Why must these be mutually exclusive? They certainly aren’t in my mind--
WIN-WIN.
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Good point! Because the US has the mandate of heaven, whatever is good for us
is good for everyone.
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You aren’t paying attention to the fact that Bush provides no evidence
that they still existed.
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They existed once. That is enough proof on Bush’s part.
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No it is NOT! Bush told me (and you and every sinle American) that we
should expend our resources and lives on trumped up evidence
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Are you insinuating that the intelligence cited was fabricated?
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I sure as hell will! Or as good as, anyway. Let’s see...there’s a vast body
of intelligence reports about the region. It’s analyzed by hundreds of CIA and
other intelligence speciallists. The vast majority of them conclude that
Sadam’s teeth have been pulled, essentially forever. Some incredibly small
minority, potentially at the direction of Paul Wolfowitz, are willing to support
the administration’s desire to have an excuse to enter the region and subdivide
the hostiles. And the president uses the reports that the vast majority of the
intelligence community disagrees with. If you don’t think that’s fabrication,
deception, and the trumping up of evidence, what do you think it is? I don’t
believe for one second that if Clinton had done this, you’d just be happy as a
clam.
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Not at this time of night - but Bush was citing Saddam as the direct threat,
not the secondary threat.
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I don’t think so. Maybe to our ally Israel....
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Gosh, I remember it like Bruce. I listened to Powell address the UN and I
bought it...for around 24 hours...until foreign reporters deluged my brain with
US intelligence experts who said it was false evidence. They were absolutely
claiming the US was under threat.
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Bottom Line: Bush the Elder should never have supported him in the first
place.
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Perhaps. But at the time we had a bigger enemy in Iran. Do you think that
unholy alliances are wrong?
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Yes! We can not take the high road unless we take the high road. For
instance, we should cut all trade relations with China untill they get with the
program. Sure it would cost us. Sure it would be uncomfortable. But that’s
where the high road leads.
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But Bush is okay with scumbags (remember, this is the guy who didn’t
want the communist governments in eastern europe overthrown).
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Roosevelt was okay with Stalin-- arguably the biggest scumbag of all time...
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Indeed! Roosevelt should have been dragged into the street by the hair and
stoned. So what? The fact that there have been bad men in the President’s
Mansion for a long, long time doesn’t make it right that we maintain that status
quo.
Chris
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Message has 1 Reply:
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| (...) Awww. "Haliburton" again???? (...) Awww. More "puppet" talk? (...) We always could, even from SH if we wanted! (...) But that is precisely my point-- OBL was acting independently from the policies of his country, so equating the nationality of (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Fine; put it this way: there are a great deal of countries on both sides. Saying "the world clearly thinks it isn't obvious" is a gross distortion. (...) Not controlling the flow of oil (or do you have cites for that?), but enabling the free (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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