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One world order is a pipe dream (was Re: UN Gets It Right!)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Fri, 25 Jun 2004 04:49:48 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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Cool. I think our one-sided participation in the “world community” is
messed up.
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Yes.
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We should either withdraw from the UN,
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Yes.
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strap on the six-guns, and do our
thing.
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Yes, and ride on with our trusty sidekick Britain.
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Or pay our dues, submit to things like world courts,
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This is not possible and unconstitutional.
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I love the imprecision of this :-)
Perhaps ‘it is not possible for the US to pay its dues’ - and its not like the
US doesn’t have buckets of money, so presumably its debt to the world
(personified in many ways by the UN) is overwhelmingly huge. Not a view I
necessarily agree with, but it will find support among some.
Or ‘paying its dues is unconstitutional’ - which makes me smile just thinking
about it as a defence. “Well, we took a vote, and decided we don’t have to pay
you back.” I like it. Its generally not tenable, and lacks any sense of
equity, but I like it.
More likely I imagine, its that submitting to world courts that John feels is
impossible and unconstitutional. Indeed, its presumably only not possible
because its not constitutional.
I don’t know if this is true (its not my constitution), but for a country that
is so noisy about the importance of the rule of law in international relations,
this just seems laughable too. How can one take the US foreign policy positions
on things like war crimes, free trade, sovereignty seriously when the US feels
so completely free to fail to apply the same rules to its own behaviour.
Indeed, who does? Not to say that one ought not take the US seriously - its got
quite a few big guns, more and bigger than anyone else in the world, and its not
afraid to use them.
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and go along to
get along. I’m not actually sure which course would be better, but our
current waffling sucks.
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It is a farce, as exemplified by Sudan heading the human rights advisory
council.
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I am not sure how what Sudan is doing bears on what the US ought to be doing.
And as a question of training and development, I have seen it as a successful
technique to have recalcitrants sit in as chairs of bodies for a while. The
deeper exposure to the issues, the better understanding of what its all about
often leads to better sign on, and better performance. And it also helps
overcome the (generally well founded) concern that bodies always led by
westerners fail to appreciate the issues of other countries, and become yet more
avenues of western imperialism.
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One world order is a pipe dream and a horrible idea to boot.
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I thought that the one world order (which seems to be used interchangeably with
New World Order) was a popular
theme for the US leadership over quite a time (it turns up from time to time
among our leaders too, but generally in supporting some US position or other).
Indeed, isn’t the New Order
thingie generally considered key for the US national identity?
That said, the New World Order I read about (which is essentially the same old
divisive nation states squabbling with each other, but in a more formal
environment) seems doable, its just that I don’t understand what positive
outcomes it could deliver for anywhere near the majority of the people of the
world. Even to the extent that it might mitigate the oppressions of a few
tinpot dictators, it just seems to replace them with other kinds of western
sanctioned opressors.
Richard
Still baldly going...
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| (...) Yes. (...) Yes. (...) Yes, and ride on with our trusty sidekick Britain. (...) This is not possible and unconstitutional. (...) It is a farce, as exemplified by Sudan heading the human rights advisory council. One world order is a pipe dream (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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