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Re: Justice for all.....
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Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:46:06 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Don Heyse wrote:
> Hey, an excuse to read (ok skim) the Geneva Convention. Cool.
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> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
> > Rumsfeld claimed that Saddam would be treated as a POW under the
> > Geneva Convention, but that Convention has already been violated
> > by the endless broadcasting of humiliating video and photos of
> > Saddam following his capture.
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> But what about this? ( from http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm )
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> "Prisoners of war who, owing to their physical or mental condition,
> are unable to state their identity, shall be handed over to the medical
> service. The identity of such prisoners shall be established by all
> possible means, subject to the provisions of the preceding paragraph."
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> I suppose one could argue that his use of body doubles activates
> the "by all possible means" clause, which would seem to include
> the video.
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> Is there an addendum that clarifies when a video is humiliating
> and when it's not? Saddam appeared in lots of video before, and
> will probably appear in more during the trial. What are the rules
> on this? I haven't found them yet.
A good question. I know there was an uproar when US POW's in Iraq were featured
even briefly on Al-Jazeera, for example. Hussein was able, according to
reports, to identify himself as "the President of Iraq" to his American captors,
so this (if true) demonstrates that he had no medical condition preventing him
from stating his identity.
Beyond that, Hussein's DNA has been sampled since his capture, and that would
seem to trump the need for any photo as verification of his identity (as long as
a pre-existing known sample of his DNA was available!) The "humiliating' part,
in my view, comes up when we see endless rebroadcasting of the
open-wide-and-say-aah exam, juxtaposed with Dubya chanting that Hussein was a
rat in a hole.
I love the idea that, when Hussein hides, he hides in a "spider hole" or "rat
hole," but when Cheney hides, he's in "an undisclosed location."
Dave!
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| (...) Well I get the impression that Cheney's hideyholes tend to be a bit posher, but ya... history is written by the victors, after all (or the apparent victors at the time of writing, in this case)... (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Yeah that's annoying, but just the sort of thing the media loves to broadcast. How do you stop them? Anyhow, my question remains: Has the "Red Cross or any other impartial humanitarian organization" ever actually identified any of the video on (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Hey, an excuse to read (ok skim) the Geneva Convention. Cool. (...) But what about this? ( from (URL) ) "Prisoners of war who, owing to their physical or mental condition, are unable to state their identity, shall be handed over to the medical (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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