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Re: Justice for all.....
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Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:04:54 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Pedro Silva wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Don Heyse wrote:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Pedro Silva wrote:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Don Heyse wrote:
> > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Pedro Silva wrote:
> > > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Don Heyse wrote:
> > > > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Pedro Silva wrote:
> > > > > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Don Heyse wrote:
> > > > > > > > Thanks for the link. It highlights yet another reason the world
> > > > > > > > is not yet ready for a global court system. Money. Until the
> > > > > > > > economic disparity in the world is reduced significantly, there is
> > > > > > > > too great a possiblilty that economically disadvantaged countries
> > > > > > > > can be bribed. Even more patience is required for that one, I think.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That hasn't bothered rich countries from joining in thus far.
> > > > > > > Richer than the US, per capita, I might add. So whose money,
> > > > > > > bribing whom, to what end?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does it really matter who or what money?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes. And "to what end" as well, don't leave that one out.
> > >
> > > I stress again that I find this relevant.
> >
> > Yes, but I don't, so I can't really add much here. Perhaps if you tell
> > us *why* you find it so relevent I might be able to reply to that.
>
> Ok.
> I find it relevant because *you* brought it up, and have not
> ellaborated what you meant. It's very easy to leave vague suspicion
> in the air, so what I'm asking you is to be blunt and say whom, in
> this regard, bribes/is bribed and *to do what*. Names and purposes -
> otherwise your accusation remains void.
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> In other words, "to bribe" is a transitive verb, isn't it?
Actually I think Scott brought it up and the answers you seek are
in the article he provided earlier in this thread:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3035296.stm
which for some reason you mysteriously deleted in this post:
http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=23015
If you so desire, you can reprint the entire BBC article here.
That should be blunt enough, I think.
> > > > Here's a little experiment you can try at home. Get yourself a
> > > > traffic ticket and then go to court to try and fight it. Take note
> > > > of whether or not burden of proof ever enters into the picture.
> > >
> > > The burden of proof enters the picture, yes. It is on your side if you
> > > choose to contest the fine. For instance, last year there was a lady
> > > here who was fined for speeding at 800+ kph. She just took the photo
> > > to court and the case was dismissed.
> >
> > What's 800 kph?
>
> Maybe some 500 mph, more or less 100.
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> > Is that as far over the speed limit as it sounds?
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> For cars, yes :-)
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> > Give me an example where the charges aren't obviously ridiculous to
> > the average court system bureaucrat.
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> There isn't such a thing. The whole concept of proof is based in
> reducing the other party's arguments ad absurdio... or as close as
> possible to allow for reasonable doubt, if things prove too complicated.
I don't follow that at all, but no matter, I already gave up. You're
completely right. Moral superiority is yours. You win.
It's time for Christmas.
Have Fun,
Don
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| (...) Let me get this straight, then: the article only mentions "pressure" by the USA, when trying to make sure others *EXEMPT* US citizens from prosecution in ICC. In essence, are you accusing your own country of covertly "bribing" those who grant (...) (23 years ago, 23-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Yes, but I don't, so I can't really add much here. Perhaps if you tell us *why* you find it so relevent I might be able to reply to that. (...) No, you got me there. We usually hire professional lawyers and politicians around here to "fix" (...) (23 years ago, 23-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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