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Re: Fair use and allusion?
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Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:29:36 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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They are a part of it only insofar as we have started to fight back. We
did not begin this war.
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You can rewrite history all you want but your adminisgtration *did* start
this war--The US invaded Iraq. Iraq being a sovereign nation at the time
that made no direct threats towards the US, no matter what the US
administration wanted the world to think. And you can’t bring up Kuwait
‘cause that was dispensed with in the ‘90’s.
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And besides, we started that war too.
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Speaking of rewriting history....
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Give *any* shred of direct Iraqi threat towards the US that you can hang
this war on. Any. 9/11? No Iraqis there.
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I’m pretty sure that John does mean they started it with 9/11.
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I meant that we finally started fighting back with 9-11.
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I like your idea of fighting back--Larry punches me in the face so, using ‘John
Logic’, I’d punch, well, John in the face.
Iraq didn’t provoke you. There were no Iraqi’s responsible for 9/11. There
were, however, a large number of Saudis.
Iraq was breaking a UN resolution. The UN sent Blix in there. If you don’t
like how the UN conducts its business, then as you stated, get out of it, but
more importantly, you can’t then use UN resolutions as a pretext for invasion.
You keep on bringing up 9/11 as justification for this war--“We finally started
fighting back due to 9/11.”
Well, the terrorists were mostly Saudis. I’m waiting for that one. Though I
think we’ll ahve a long wait ‘cause iirc the prez and VP have many monetary ties
to that particular section of the world.
And you can’t bring up SH being a tyrannical dictator for your justification
either. Africa over the years had much such tyrannies where ‘tinpot dictators’
slaughters masses of people and yet you sat on your hands (in a US
administration sense). Why Iraq? Why now? There’s no legitimate explanation.
There really isn’t. The explanation everyone besides those inside the US and
Mr. Blair see is that SH was a ‘burr under Dubya’s saddle’. If there had been
*anyone else*, and I would hazard a guess even any other Republican, that Iraq
wouldn’t have been focused on. I somehow doubt that Dole would have instigated
this atrocity, though I can’t speak for him.
You want everything your way--you want the idea that you dislike the UN and the
US should get out of it but you’ll use their resolutions to invade, even though
the UN didn’t want you to. You want to blame SH for 9/11 even though there were
no Iraqis taking over planes and flying them into buildings. YOu want to stay
on friendly terms with Saudia Arabia bacuase, well, your two countries get along
just fine thank you very much but you conveniently ignore the major 9/11 threat
was, in fact, Saudis. But some lackey in Iraq talked to OBL so there must be a
connection--let’s invade!! You “know” that there were WoMD in Iraq and you’ll
use that as an excuse even though a) Blix was mandated by the UN to look for
them before your war kicked him out of the country and b) your very own country
gavbe those WoMD to SH for your little tiff with Iran decades back, so the WoMD
have been ‘sitting there’ for a long long time, but no invasion until now. You
want to use the ‘torture chambers’ of Saddam as justification but you wnat to
forget about the prison scandals the American soldiers perpetrated. No you
do--“SH was sooo much worse!!” Yeah, the lesser of two evils, that gets my
vote. You want people to state that their behind this war or you’ll label them
‘lovers of Saddam’, as if there is no other way of handling the issue. You
still want to say that SH could have attacked the US even though not one of
Iraqs planes got off the ground and they couldn’t fire a missle a few hundred
miles outside their borders.
And my personal favourite--You want to bring peace and freedom to Iraq even if
it kills ‘em. Peace and freedom has to come within a country.
You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth on this one, and so is Dubya and
Cheney. It’s amazing when folks start picking at the lies and deceit that Dubya
and Cheney get more abrupt and hostile. I personally believe that one of them
will come apart at the seams. Cheney swearing is just the beginning. I hope
the pressure keeps on until these guys come out with the truth--that Dubya
wanted to finish ‘daddys little war’ and it had nothing to do with all these
already disproven (to many people around the globe and even some well read
Americans) ideas.
I also hope that someday there will be accountability, a la Nixon and Watergate.
The people of the world (since now you have involved the world--Watergate being
mostly an internal US matter but this fiasco is a world issue) deserve no less.
What ever happened to that ‘70’s media distrustful of gov’t--that W&B would go
thru all that effort to get to the truth (being as how it was pretty well hidden
and yet they still put much effort into their investigation)? Are there no
Woodwards anymore to pull at the obvious dangling threads here? OR are pepole
fearful of their jobs, and even their lives (a la CIA operatives getting
outed--Novak should finally once in his life do the right thing and stop
protecting this deceitful administration)
Anyway, it’s late, I’m tired, and after Monday I fear we’re going to have a
gov’t in power that’s actually pro Dubya and Iraq war and I’ll hang my head in
shame for being in a country that caved into the war mongering.
I hope I’m wrong but I highly doubt it. Fractious times, people... Fractious
times.
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Dave K
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Message has 3 Replies:
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| (...) Um, I wasn't even there! Soo, do you have a cite for that???(1) (grins, ducks, runs). (...) 1 - that's my roundabout way of admitting that maybe, just maybe, a valid point has been made by Dave! (20 years ago, 27-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) You are either not listening or being deliberately obtuse. We did not start a war with the people of Iraq; we simply deposed their oppressive government whom we perceived as a potential threat. We are fighting for Iraq, not against Iraq. Isn't (...) (20 years ago, 27-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Looks like you were wrong ;) I'm anxiously awaiting our own federal election some time later this year. What with that, a US election in Nov, and Tony Blair showing a bit of spirit, maybe the world will seem a different place next year. Then (...) (20 years ago, 30-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Speaking of rewriting history.... (...) I meant that we finally started fighting back with 9-11. (...) Well, Chris, I guess you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how stupid and offensive it is. JOHN (20 years ago, 26-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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