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Re: Some wins for freedom from the Supremes
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Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:23:15 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
   3 important cases today, although one would wish for wider findings (as always)

http://www.reuters.com/printerFriendlyPopup.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5533972

Certainly, along with the concession to allow David Hicks to serve any sentence in Australia, these questionable detentions seem to be heading in the right direction. Let’s hope the Military Tribunals do not end up being show trials.

ROSCO

Tony B.Liar may be up for re-election next year. His closeness to Bush has become a major electoral problem. To mitigate this, he is trying show he is not 100% lapdog. As a result, the UK Attorney General noisily (and rightly) rejected Bush’s Military Tribunals last week:

...there are certain principles on which there can be no compromise. Fair trial is one of those - which is the reason we in the UK have been unable to accept that the US military tribunals proposed for those detained at Guantanamo Bay offer sufficient guarantees of a fair trial in accordance with international standards.

Does your PM accept the tribunals?

Yup. Indeed, as I understand it Australia is one of the few (perhaps the only) country with nationals involved who has NOT asked for them back.

Apparently at the time our dudes did whatever undisclosed thing that they may at some stage be alleged to have done, we had no laws that would have made it illegal, so our leadership thinks its best to leave them in the hands of the US who have laws well suited to the purpose.

If they had committed crimes against the US in the US this might be tenable.

Otherwise, its appalling.

Apparently we are just fine with seeing our nationals taste justice American style for activities with which they were associated in a country where it was not illegal, activites which were not illegal under Australian law of the time, and under a process which would be unacceptable in Australia even under our shiny new wot laws.

Makes one proud of the lengths to which our leaders will go for our citizens, not.

Richard
Still baldly going...



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  Re: Some wins for freedom from the Supremes
 
(...) Gawd! If you're presenting an accurate view, that really is disgusting. They should have demanded their people back long ago. Chris (20 years ago, 29-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
  Re: Some wins for freedom from the Supremes
 
I think it is time Oz re-joined the Empire. ;) Scott A (20 years ago, 29-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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