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(...) John, will you cite any rag which supports your [narrow] point of view? Have you read the other items on that site? Are they "very encouraging" too? (...) What would you say is the "root of all evil"? Greed? Power? Religious extremism? Envy? (...) (21 years ago, 21-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In what way is the Guardian not "reliable"? You may not find it "reliable", but you do cite it when the text is right [eg]: (URL)The NYT in particular, lies (...) If all that is true, let the market damn them both and FoxNews can prevail! (...) (21 years ago, 21-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: <snip> (...) There are "safe needle exchange" places in Canada??? That's it! Heroine, here I come!! Dave K -wow, lookit all the purty lightsssszzz...zzz (...) (21 years ago, 21-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you saying plagiarism is ~OK~. I think that is the wrong sort of signal to send. (...) Ah! So it's Larry who is the plagiarist; I wondered whom he was talking about! ;) Scott A (21 years ago, 21-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well it looks like Tommy Franks may have to carry the can for crimes committed by his troops. Read on: Let's hear it for Belgium (URL) several occasions, US troops appear to have opened fire on unarmed civilians. In Nassiriya, they shot at any (...) (21 years ago, 21-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think that you probably have an okay approach to the issue -- just as long as your ideas about right and wrong are qualified by the concept of right and wrong "for you." Need I mention the many stupid and pointless sodomy laws across the (...) (21 years ago, 21-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow Dave, this was so old I almost forgot I wrote about this. Alright as it appears that there were some huge misunderstandings in my post let me try to clarify things. First and foremost, I do have core beliefs as to what is right and wrong, (...) (21 years ago, 21-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Just where are those weapons?" (URL) embarrassments go, this one is in a league with having your pants fall down on Main Street at high noon. In his State of the Union address, the president managed to give the impression that Mr. Hussein had piles (...) (21 years ago, 21-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This might prove useful here: "Time to Question the US Role in Saudi Arabia" (URL) in truth, we are long overdue in examining this relationship.] -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 21-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What? Would that be like stupid Saudis beleiving all the nonsense their government/right-wingers tells them? Gee, where else do citizens exhibit that behavior? And anyway, unless I am mistaken about the nationality of the more frequent posters (...) (21 years ago, 21-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why don't you take your facetious little poll in Arab countries? Maybe it won't be so easy after all. JOHN (21 years ago, 21-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) thought 9/11 was engineered by Americans or Israelis? Today I noticed that the sky appears to be blue, and clouds are often puffy and white. -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 21-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) is very encouraging. Perhaps the US and Israel *aren't* the root of all evil after all.... JOHN (21 years ago, 20-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Annoyingly, I was unable to post to LUGNET for a few weeks and wasn't able to contribute in my usual, brilliant fashion. I apologize for the late response to Scott's posting, but this was just about my first opportunity to do so. (...) It should be (...) (21 years ago, 20-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) Well, I don't treat my life like it's made up of binary management--if we remove certain criteria, then we allow *everyting*. I thought it would be inferred by my slam towards the Nat. (...) (21 years ago, 20-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"US Compromises at UN but Keeps Control of Iraq Oil" (URL) United States is asking the Security Council to authorize it to do a series of things that would otherwise violate international law under the guise of ending sanctions," said Morton (...) (21 years ago, 20-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Free State Project" (URL) Free State Project is a plan in which 20,000 or more liberty- oriented people will move to a single state of the U.S., where they may work within the political system to reduce the size and scope of government. The success (...) (21 years ago, 20-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But what happened to all of that money in the meanwhile? This is why I despise the republicans. To be honest, we might actually get somewhere with someone if voters could for just once focus on the money -- in a way, all the president should (...) (21 years ago, 19-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I definately agree with your last statement, I tend to vote more for Republicans because they often seem to talk like small government types, but rarely act that way when they get into office. True the Democrats give us better social welfare (...) (21 years ago, 19-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am not sure that they are at all related, but I'd rather pursue programs and measures that might actually increase security instead of merely depriving citizens of their constitutional rights or engaging in a frivolous war. "Thousands of (...) (21 years ago, 19-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, you could always exempt earnings below a subsistence level income -- that's one solution still easily understood and uncomplicated. Another, probably better, solution would be a federal sales tax on non-perishables/luxury type items. But (...) (21 years ago, 19-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Costello writes: <snip> (...) The real problem with a flat tax is that lower income lose out the most. To a person making $20,000 a year, 10% means a lot more than it would to a person making $200,000 a year. I (...) (21 years ago, 19-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No I checked the latest bill pretty thoroughly, and all brackets recieve relief, actually if the original plan for marriage penalty relief was still in force I would pay almost no federal income tax at all. (...) Exactly, which is why I want (...) (21 years ago, 19-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Some"? Might want to check those facts, Costello. (...) The extravagantly wealthy have access to loopholes and other measures that negate their taxes. See previous postings in this forum by yours truly. (...) Totally agree. (...) No, revenue (...) (21 years ago, 18-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I find arguing about these distinctions in a thread about the way fiction as reality is being foisted upon us by the current administration increasingly laughable. Where are the WMD? When precisely are we pulling out of Iraq? Why were the (...) (21 years ago, 18-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Fix a small typo... capitalized area of repair for emphasis (...) SHOULD read Or would you tend to view all sources with equal credulity? I would think not, and further, I would think that a source that tends to be factually correct, even if their (...) (21 years ago, 17-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Alright, time for me to stop defending this administration and to voice my opposition. It looks like tax relief is finally going to be passed, and from the looks of it there will be some tax relief across all brackets. Those are the good things, I (...) (21 years ago, 16-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Excellent advice. But you'd agree that some sources are more credible than others, right? Or would you tend to view all sources with equal credulity? I would think not, and further, I would think that a source that tends to be factually (...) (21 years ago, 16-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) Well, I'd start with a variety of sources, instead of just one or two that tell us what we want to hear, or worse, tell us what they want us to hear and filter out that which may (...) (21 years ago, 16-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *WRONG* there is no "must". One only has to pay if the household has a TV. (...) It is collected by the BBC [well actually their appointed agent]. (...) You are squirming. (...) *sigh* I see your point Larry… but its pretty tenuous. The fact (...) (21 years ago, 16-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<reinserted a few quotes that David snipped, but I think i've got the attributions right, apologies if I flubbed> (...) Sorry, how is a license fee that one *must* pay (or be in violation of law), and which is collected *by the government*, and then (...) (21 years ago, 16-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) years ago. And the killing and the blaming and the bombing and the fighting and the pillaging and the retaliation and the blaming some more still continues. I don't care who started it. I don't care who you think the fanaticals are. I don't (...) (21 years ago, 16-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> (...) And not made up like the NY Times... Ooops--US news sources are fallible! Did I say that out loud? If you want to keep your head in the sand, then that's your choice. Don't admonish those (...) (21 years ago, 16-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *shakes head* Scott A (21 years ago, 16-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you saying it can't be trusted? Shame on you sir! (...) Nonsense! It is funded by the public through a licence fee [~UKP100 / US$160] for every viewing household & through sales of its products. Fantastic value when you think about it. (...) (21 years ago, 16-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You mean like when he landed on the aircaft carrier? ;) Scott A (21 years ago, 16-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nevertheless, your mistrust is not at all misplaced. The BBC, despite being government funded, isn't exactly hewing to reality, much less hewing to the Labour party line, at least according to some observers. Your mileage may vary, of course. (21 years ago, 16-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I realize that you have some internal connect between politics and religion, but for me I tend to keep those two worlds completely separate. My political views have little to do with my religious views, please try to stay focused. (...) My (...) (21 years ago, 15-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Crazy world, eh David? Nobody over here seems to understand that truth dealing is the way to make the U.S. a better place -- it's always some nonsense about patriotism, or national security, or counter-terrorism. And here I thought the truth (...) (21 years ago, 15-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Costello writes: <snip> (...) Ahh, there it is. If it isn't USA, it's no way. Got it. Perhaps you wish to reconsider? Dave K (...) (21 years ago, 15-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This criticism still amazes me, although it wasn't unexpected. Presidents, and other political leaders have been misusing taxpayer money on these kinds of things for years. If Bush was simply looking for a photo-op he would have done this in (...) (21 years ago, 15-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Because we all know how the BBC is prone to hperbole, and "faking the truth" whenever it can... (URL) it still a 'conspiracy nutter' story now? Or is it perhaps closer to the truth? Stop with the talk of anything that doesn't conform to the US (...) (21 years ago, 15-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So which point do you take exception to, Scott? "We know that SH has WoMD and we know where they are!" (pause long enuf to have a war about it) "Well, we're withdrawing our inspectors next month 'cause we didn't find anything..." Conspiracies? (...) (21 years ago, 15-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I wonder if they used that same film crew that rigged up that whole moon landing thing. I file this whole discussion right there along with Elvis sightings and the black helicopters. Scott C. (21 years ago, 15-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Jessica's rescue, the toppling of the statue, Colin Powell's briefing--all faked for the mass television audience. And yet, there's the majority of the US audience, just gobbling it up. Standing ovation for the wonderful acting to all (...) (21 years ago, 15-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This makes good reading: The truth about Jessica (URL) was like a Hollywood film. They cried, 'Go, go, go', with guns and blanks and the sound of explosions. They made a show - an action movie like Sylvester Stallone or Jackie Chan, with jumping (...) (21 years ago, 15-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar? JOHN (21 years ago, 15-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"The Oily Americans: Why the world doesn't trust the U.S. about petroleum: A history of meddling" (URL) a little too flimsy on the Iraq issue, probably didn't want to come off as "unpatriotic" -- whatever that means nowadays.] ---...--- New Policy (...) (21 years ago, 15-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) which Cuban diplomats were expelled from Washington and the UN due to 'spying'. Or they could have been expelled so that they have no potential to hear any plans against their country (if you read b/w the lines and are swayed towards (...) (21 years ago, 15-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Surely you mean Saudi Arabia? ;) Scott A (21 years ago, 14-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not in Scotland. Search for "the auld alliance". eg: (URL) the resident Canadian: ==+== The Royal Ecossais remained a regiment of the French army. Indeed after the failure of the '45 Rising two other French regiments were formed from Jacobite (...) (21 years ago, 14-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We all seem to have our own form of arrogance. The American forte is arrogance through naivety. The English arrogance is more through belief that they are naturally superior, and the French is not so much that they are superior so much that (...) (21 years ago, 14-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What is funny is the one thing that my brother in law, who live in England, and I have in common is French jokes. Contempt for the French and their arrogance seems to be a great unifier among nations. (...) Those two things are true, and (...) (21 years ago, 14-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for the clarification. Sorry for keeping ya up, Bruce! Yes, religious debate can sometimes get tiresome, but I've wanted to keep it as interesting as possible. Honest I have! Dave K -who puts people to sleep wherever he goes (21 years ago, 14-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Column. The last row tends to consist of really, really, unstable elements. Sorry for being anal about row-column, just trying to hijack this away from religion (Zzzz...zzzsnore). -->Bruzzz...zzz... (21 years ago, 14-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The point I was trying to make with John, and seems to be pushed to the wayside, is that mayhaps the church, and doctroines thereof, need to be revisited--whether you personally accomodate homosexuals in your life is nice and all, but (...) (21 years ago, 14-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm pretty sure it has a lot do with the prohibition concerning idolatry via the decorating of trees in Jeremiah: ---...--- 10:1 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The intolerance I was refering to is that of those who take issue with religions or religionists for their beliefs, basically telling someone that they must unconditionally accept your chosen lifestyle. One of my best friends has recently (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I know they are pre-christian; Easter I had always thought as having been conveniently adopted by Christianity from Judahism. Which in turn may have had it adopted from another pagan belief - quite honestly, I find that of little consequence, (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My bible says this for Luke 14.26: "If people come to me and are not ready to abandon their fathers, mothers, wives, children, brothers, and sisters, as well as their own lives, they cannot be my disciples." This makes more sense in the (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. Without getting into it too deeply, I'd say that the Gospels are the most important part of the Bible, for they contain God's final revelation and interpretation of the Bible (talking OT here). (...) Certainly forgiveness, but (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This statement is misleading. Most Christians associate Jesus' resurrection with the word "Easter". Obviously, the celebration of the resurrection of Jesus was never a pagan holiday, although the celebration of the feast to Astre was. They are (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This explains a lot. (...) I am not seeing the intolerance directed at the religious members of our community. Maybe if you were Jewish or Muslim. That thing about Mormon persecution so many years ago is starting to grow mold on it... I'd just (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<snip> (...) So basically what you are saying here is that some portions of the Bible are more important that other portions? Why? I was brought up to believe that the bible as a whole is important and that everything inside the covers are related. (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heh, well, that's a little extreme :) I'd probably argue that while not "ordained by God", Christmas and Easter are still Christian celebrations; not worshipping any differently than allowed to by the Bible-- unless there's something in there (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Pedro Silva writes: (...) Easter and Xmas are both originally pagan holidays. You might as well be worhshipping some ancient fire god like some of the peoples mentioned in the OT (at one point Abraham, prior to (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here is what I do not understand, the church is not "forcing" them to do anything, this guy was problably born into the Catholic church, but since young adulthood he has had the choice to remain or not. What I truely don't understand is why he (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: (snip) (...) Easter, not scriptural? I do remember being in Religion classes back in school and be told that it was *the* most important Christian celebration! (...) I dunno that much about the old (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Easter isn't scriptual, nor, btw, is Christmas. The Lord's supper is, though. And yet all three of these are pretty much the cornerstone of today's church. Divine revelation by the Holy Spirit? Is there a book in the Bible that says that (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) le krakhed (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Through what they believe to be the relevation of the Scriptures to them by the Holy Spirit. (...) Now you are the one who is quick to judge. There isn't any Church I'm aware that says that divorce is "fine". They may recognize it as a (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And how does the church come to making such decisions? What process does the church use to come to the conclusion that this over here can be sanctioned, but that over there cannot? (...) So the Catholic church is obeying the "letter" of the (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) They can do whatever they want. It's just that the Church doesn't sanction it. (...) Read Matthew 19:3-12 (...) Shoot the messenger, uh? If it is too intolerable for him to be a Catholic and abide by its teachings, he should be honest and (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Kissing heinie at its finest
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(...) Too often calling people "anti-American" is just a way for the intellectually lazy to counter critics. It's much easier than [say] justifying some aspects of the war on terrorism or why WOMD have not been found yet. That fact that some of the (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Absolutely! Let's get out the rocks! Don't worry about hte men who commit the 'adultry' with them, for men shouldn't be held responsible for their transgressions. And women should be seen and not heard! And don't touch the skin of a pig, or (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed. Does the bible not say that females who commit adultery should be stoned? Scott A (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Kissing heinie at its finest
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(URL) can 'look down' on the French or (insert your 'picked-on' country of choice--Italy has had a few jokes at its expense) for decades, but woe unto us who find the arrogance of the US contemptable. Did, and does the US still contribute a whole (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And why is that? Why should the "church" tell two people, who want to live in the institution of marriage, that they can't just because those two folks are of the same sex? Where in the teachings of Jesus does it say, "Marriage is good for (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You may be right. It amounts to something like this: I don't judge others by my own possibly limited notion of what is right and wrong for me as being right and wrong for them; unless they are dragging me down with them, then my hand is forced (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry to burst yours, but they aren't married (by the Catholic church). (...) What's this "world" stuff? We are talking about marriage in the Christian context. I don't know what you are talking about. (...) It seems to me that you don't know (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sorry to burst your bubble, John; but I know gay men that attend a Catholic church regularly. Again, the world is not limited to the flavors you would impose upon it. Indeed, the world doesn't care about the restrictions you would place upon it. It (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) From the beginning? Do you suppose she would have married him in the first place knowing that he would cheat on her in the future? I doubt it. (...) That may be so, but we are discussing in the context of marriage, and a Christian marriage at (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You bring up exceptions, which are not to what I was referring. Speaking about the Clintons, I am sure that they got married in a Christian church and exchanged wedding vows (if I am wrong in this assumption, then I retract my condemnation). (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What if, in a person's chosen ideology, the fact that someone has relations with others are not their spouse is not only acceptible but welcomed, would they then be the disgusting pig that you referred to? What if the same person didn't choose (...) (21 years ago, 12-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's where you have to consider what things mean and weigh your estimate of people's intelligence and character. Do you think Hilary Clinton is an idiot that didn't know her husband had a long string of affairs with other women? Or is it (...) (21 years ago, 12-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Say again? If you cheat on your wife, no matter how often, then you are a disgusting pig. JOHN (21 years ago, 12-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What planet are you from? When I am lucky I commit these "transgressions" on a nightly basis. -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 12-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Jeez! Dr. Laura is disliked not because of her religious or political views, but because she is a bigot and spreads a message of hatred against gays, bisexuals, and those involved in BDSM. Her attacks on people participating in alternative (...) (21 years ago, 12-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You may be missing the subtle insinuation here. To many liberals JFK was the be all of what a president should be. Many would love for Clinton to be the second coming of Kennedy and do all they can to resurrect his legacy. As Clinton will (...) (21 years ago, 12-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Author says JFK had affair with 19-year- old intern" (URL) had no skills. She could answer the phone," Robert Dallek, author of "An Unfinished Life," told "Dateline NBC" in an interview that aired Sunday. "Apparently, her only skill was to provide (...) (21 years ago, 12-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) While that is a great quote, and very true, I am not so sure that it completely applies here. I believe that Disney’s decision is directly related to the ideology of Michael Eisner and those in his inner circle. I just wait to see if there is (...) (21 years ago, 12-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well, I don't go to the movies to decide issues of consequence -- occasionally a film makes a relevant point, but not too often. I have also never read a MM book or seen any of his movies, so I have no real opinion of him besides what I am able to (...) (21 years ago, 12-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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... a great MM quote: "One of the wonderful flaws of capitalists is that they will actually help me produce something against their interests, if they can make a dime out of it." Scott A (21 years ago, 12-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Granted I believe this is a good relationship as much of Michael Moore’s works belong in fantasyland, but why would Michael Eisner and Disney make such a move? Michael Moore is at best a film maker of questionable integrity and at worst partisan (...) (21 years ago, 12-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Short stayed as long as she could: Clare Short quits post over Iraq (URL) position the UK's adopting in the Security Council is totally dishonourable and breaches the promises that the UN would have the proper role in bringing into being a (...) (21 years ago, 12-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 12-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) this misjudgement by Sharon: Gaza visitors must sign waiver in case army shoots them (URL) story I expect the child killers in the IDF will be happy to read] (...) I partly agree. But I think part of the problem is that he feels obliged to (...) (21 years ago, 11-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Harder; but not impossible. Anyhow is the current bogeyman not a "dirty bomb"? (...) ...or the US, the country that sells "thumb cuffs" to Saudi Arabia? Really; what relevance are GPS jammers to this? [other than simple mud slinging?] You may (...) (21 years ago, 11-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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“Frustrated, U.S. Arms Team to Leave Iraq: Task Force Unable To Find Any Weapons” (URL) -- The group directing all known U.S. search efforts for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is winding down operations without finding proof that President (...) (21 years ago, 11-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Bush Statement on Judges Demonstrates Orwellian Doublespeak: Despite 13-Year Low in Vacancies, Bush Claims Judicial Crisis" (URL) by signaling that he will work with the Senate Republican leadership to change Senate rules that have worked well for (...) (21 years ago, 10-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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