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Re: Sex Scandal: U.S. President had sex with Intern!
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Tue, 13 May 2003 21:24:43 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes:
> > > Sorry to burst your bubble, John; but I know gay men that attend a Catholic
> > > church regularly.
> >
> > Sorry to burst yours, but they aren't married (by the Catholic church).
>
> And why is that? Why should the "church" tell two people, who want to live
> in the institution of marriage, that they can't just because those two folks
> are of the same sex? Where in the teachings of Jesus does it say, "Marriage
> is good for these people over here, but not for those people over there"?
>
> It's akin to my co-worker (who isn't gay, mind you--this is a tangent) who
> is Catholic, but is "separated" from his first wife. Since you can't get
> married after a divorce in the Catholic church, basically the church is
> "forcing" my co-worker to 'live in sin' with his new partner in life.
>
> I mean, they are living together but the "church" won't marry them.
>
> Nicely done.
Here is what I do not understand, the church is not "forcing" them to do
anything, this guy was problably born into the Catholic church, but since
young adulthood he has had the choice to remain or not. What I truely don't
understand is why he would profess a belief in a religion that he has little
desire to faithfully observe. Nor do I understand why he opts for the sin of
adultry over the sin of divorce.
The Catholic churches stances on Divorce and homosexuality haven't changed
much for a couple of thousand years, why now, because these things are more
commonplace should the church conform? If any one has a problem with the
docterines or dogmas, opt out, why attend a church when you disagree with
the core docterine? Find a church that better suits your lifestyle, or give
up religion all together, either way none of us live in a theocracy where we
are forced into a particular belief.
> >
> > > Again, the world is not limited to the flavors you would
> > > impose upon it. Indeed, the world doesn't care about the restrictions you
> > > would place upon it.
> >
> >
> > What's this "world" stuff? We are talking about marriage in the Christian
> > context. I don't know what you are talking about.
>
> Marriage in the bigoted, limited, wrong interpretation of what the Bible to
> say. The Bible shouldn't conform to *us*, we should conform to it. And I
> believe, (and my biblical scholarship isn't as thorough as it should be, but
> I did minor in Religion at university a *long* time ago, so my memory's a
> little dusty), that the Bible actually mentions that polygamy is as viable a
> lifestyle as any other. And yet todays chruch won't let me have my little
> harem.
No kidding, I'm LDS (Mormon) we tried that a hundred years ago, and the US
government wasn't too happy about it, basically kicked us out of the country.
> >
> > > The mote in my eye, the beam sticking out of your own -- you get the picture.
> >
> > I get the quotation, not the application.
>
> We should all have a way of having our worldview, but also allow the
> discussion of ideas that might not necessarily 'jive' with it, and the
> ability to adapt the worldview or reject the premise as necessary.
> Stubbornly adhering to a disjointed WV or a bad premise are equally "The
> plank in your eye".
I would agree with that, but what if my view is such that I believe that
extramarital sex, and homosexuality are sinfull. If I am not advocating
discrimination or violence against those involved in these practices, am I
not entitled to my own view? Why must religious people be tolerant of the
lifestyles of others, while they are intollerant of our lifestyles? How
about this for a novel concept, keep private things private. You don't
discuss what happens in your bedroom, and I will afford you the same courtesy.
Scott C.
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