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Re: Sex Scandal: U.S. President had sex with Intern!
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Tue, 13 May 2003 23:22:24 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Orion Pobursky writes:
> > <snip>
> > > Are you suggesting that that Pre-first Convenant conduct trumps the
> > > unequivocal teachings of Jesus?
> >
> > So basically what you are saying here is that some portions of the Bible are
> > more important that other portions? Why?
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> Yes. Without getting into it too deeply, I'd say that the Gospels are the
> most important part of the Bible, for they contain God's final revelation
> and interpretation of the Bible (talking OT here).
> > I was brought up to believe that
> > the bible as a whole is important and that everything inside the covers are
> > related. This means that choosing one passage from one book of the bible
> > and, without relating it to the rest of the Bibles teaching, using to create
> > dogma is against the whold purpose of the Bible in the first place.
> >
> > Jesus spent his whole life teaching tolerence and forgiveness.
>
> Certainly forgiveness, but "tolerance"??? Consider this verse (or any passage
> where Jesus is in dialog with the Pharisees). Suffice to say that Jesus was
> completely intolerant of the evil of men.
>
> "If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his own father and mother, wife and
> children, brothers and sisters--yes, and even his own life--he cannot be My
> disciple." Luke 14:26
My bible says this for Luke 14.26:
"If people come to me and are not ready to abandon their fathers, mothers,
wives, children, brothers, and sisters, as well as their own lives, they
cannot be my disciples."
This makes more sense in the context of chapter you quote from. Jesus was
trying to convice the Pharisees (who were probably one of the most
intolerent sects of the Jewish faith, refuse to even eat at the same table
as those they considered "heathens") that their way of persecuting was wrong
and that if they want to follow him, they would have to give up the love of
thier families and friends for the greater good of following Him. Hence why
your passage has the word hate, beacause in the Pharisees eyes you would
have to hate you familiy and yourself to follow Jesus.
> > What I see
> > today from certain groups and individuals is that you are some sort of
> > outcast if you don't follow the dogma of oraganized religion. How tolerant
> > or forgiving is this view?
>
> Not an outcast, just lost.
What the difference between the outcast and the lost? They are both outside
of the group and they both have the potential to rejoin the group, if only
the would "see the light." See where this is going? It's the age old "You
can only be saved if..." argument. I say you can have Jesus in you life
regardless of wheather or not you adhere to the dogma of organized religion.
-Orion
> JOHN
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