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Re: Sex Scandal: U.S. President had sex with Intern!
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Tue, 13 May 2003 15:29:40 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes:
> > > Sorry to burst your bubble, John; but I know gay men that attend a Catholic
> > > church regularly.
> >
> > Sorry to burst yours, but they aren't married (by the Catholic church).
>
> And why is that? Why should the "church" tell two people, who want to live
> in the institution of marriage, that they can't just because those two folks
> are of the same sex?
They can do whatever they want. It's just that the Church doesn't sanction it.
> Where in the teachings of Jesus does it say, "Marriage
> is good for these people over here, but not for those people over there"?
Read Matthew 19:3-12
> It's akin to my co-worker (who isn't gay, mind you--this is a tangent) who
> is Catholic, but is "separated" from his first wife. Since you can't get
> married after a divorce in the Catholic church, basically the church is
> "forcing" my co-worker to 'live in sin' with his new partner in life.
Shoot the messenger, uh? If it is too intolerable for him to be a Catholic and
abide by its teachings, he should be honest and leave the church. He wants his
cake and to eat it, too. Choices.
> I mean, they are living together but the "church" won't marry them.
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> Nicely done.
*He* has made a mess of his life, not the Church.
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> > What's this "world" stuff? We are talking about marriage in the Christian
> > context. I don't know what you are talking about.
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> Marriage in the bigoted, limited, wrong interpretation of what the Bible to
> say.
That is wrong and any Christian who believes it is a heretic. Period.
> The Bible shouldn't conform to *us*, we should conform to it. And I
> believe, (and my biblical scholarship isn't as thorough as it should be, but
> I did minor in Religion at university a *long* time ago, so my memory's a
> little dusty), that the Bible actually mentions that polygamy is as viable a
> lifestyle as any other. And yet todays chruch won't let me have my little
> harem.
Dude, you are suffering from full-blown amnesia!
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> We should all have a way of having our worldview, but also allow the
> discussion of ideas that might not necessarily 'jive' with it, and the
> ability to adapt the worldview or reject the premise as necessary.
> Stubbornly adhering to a disjointed WV or a bad premise are equally "The
> plank in your eye".
If you are a Christian, you are buying into a *particular* world view. You
cannot adhere to certain ideals that are in direct conflict with it (and still
call yourself a Christian). I cannot profess to be a Christian and believe
that Jesus wasn't the Messiah. Put it this way: "It's possible, to fit a
Cadillac up your nose, it's just impossible...."
JOHN
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