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John Neal wrote in message <386E6426.576F7583@u...st.net>... (...) he (...) in (...) anyway) (...) no (...) know (...) this (...) I don't pretend to know anything about any here after. Perhaps there is one, but it makes about as much difference to (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry Pieniazek wrote in message <386E8B8E.EF62ED6C@v...er.net>... (...) statically stable, (...) to Owenite (...) Larry), and (...) process, before (...) Right, its not a utopia, not a mere fantasy. It is workable. People would need to adapt to a (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) He's also assuming that an omnipotent being is restricted by logic. Self-contradictory, neh? :) James (URL)Jasper Janssen wrote: (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On Sat, 1 Jan 2000 23:19:43 GMT, Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote: By the way, larry, your line lengths are too long. (...) My response to that would be "nothing is fair - but some things are more fair than others". And I personally believe (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There you go again. Another incorrect assertion, presented without proof. Examine the aspects of something that make it frontier-like, and you'll find that the internet is indeed a frontier. What are your criteria for a frontier? (...) Look it (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmmmm. If that _is_ what he is saying, I would tend to agree. But I personally would tend to place strict libertarianism as quite close to anarchy on that scale (strict libertarianism, after all, is just anarchy with "something" (not the (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And if that isn't an argument against electroshock therapy I don't know what is! The above explains a lot <GD&R>. (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "E-space" (Now _there's_ a horrible term if I ever heard one. Almost as bad as "Information Superhighway"), however, is hardly frontier-like. (...) Gimme some search terms or general dates to work with. You're too prolific a poster (even when (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have no problem at all with such a request. My answer is "do it yourself, ya lazy B'stard", of course. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by 'free goods', though. BTW, I've been meaning to ask you, how do you feel about intellectual (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, I believe most inventors (the ones who I've seen documentaries telling about themselves, which is really all that can really tell you what they feel) are in it not so much to make life easier for themselves, but to make big bucks, or (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Would it technically be the naughtSies, naught plural, (sounds too tyranical). How about "the autsies" (like double aut 00) (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes to the latter. The Grand Rapids Press dug into its own archives and found pretty convincing stories/editorial copy to show that people then, or at least the writers of the stories and planners of parties, considered 1901 as the start of (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) See, where Libertopia differs from other -topias is fundamental. First, we are not claiming that it's perfect. Instead, we claim there IS no perfection in society. There always will be situations where things turn out unfairly (is a freak (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nothing of the sort. I want to return to the frontier mentality, the notion that we can, if we want, be very successful at any number of different things. (...) Again, hardly. The most frontierlike part of america right now is the e-space. (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't be so lazy. Go ahead, try to point out the contradiction. Remember, I was talking about different kinds of lazy there. You, as not having come out against free goods, should have no issue with a simple request that you do some of my work (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Frank Filz wrote in message ... (...) My grandmother born in 1899 probably would have the answer re 1900/01, but she just passed away this past year. The oldest living person (according to the Guinness Book) born in 1880 would know it, too, but she (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I prefer the "naughts" or "naughties" to the "Ohs". On the whole topic, I found it interesting that last century, public opinion was pretty solid on the start being 1901 (the Grand Rapids MI Press published an excerpt from the Jan 1 1900 and Jan 1 (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Here I go again! James Brown wrote in message ... (...) general (...) quite (...) to (...) You cynic! :-) You are right - many peope are only as industrious as they have to be. Does this mean I am a cynic, too? No. I think the purpose of (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sorry for so many posts, again! Jasper Janssen wrote in message <388409e2.919377893@...et.com>... (...) Jasper, I think you saw a contradiction where there was none. Point 4 that you refered too said (basically, what I read) that "constructively (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Paul Davidson wrote in message ... (...) stick (...) Well, if we were to stick to convention, does anyone have any solid historical evidence of whether people living around the end of the first millennium considered 1000 or 1001 to be the first (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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You seem to know a lot about that which is unknowable;-) -John (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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why not make life easier and just state that (...) and (...) Because it's not true. :) It's true that the calendar is somewhat based on arbitrary convention (since Christ was born around 5 BC), but one must stick with convention if it's to be of any (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed...the '90s are considered to be dates between '90 and '99, not necessarily the 199th decade A.D. (which goes from '91 to '00). Paul Davidson (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, at least an all encompassing definition of good. It is not something that can be comprehended in its entirety-- it is a continuous learning process. (...) Sorry if some things aren't easily understood-- that's just the way it is, baby. (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's an old misconception. Having just helped teach a course called "The Emergence of Medieval Europe" (c.300-1000), I can tell you that it wasn't anarchy--things were in flux, but it only appeared anarchic because the meaning of fealty and (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are correct, John. (...) Never say never(;), but I'm with you in thinking that we as a race aren't anywhere near that state. (...) I believe that existence after death will be on a higher plane, although I know not how or even care (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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James Brown wrote in message ... (...) relation (...) In what guise would you expect Him? Could it not happen that someone could formulate their (and His) idea of good, put it into practice, and then people see that it works?! I think that is much (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Jasper Janssen wrote in message <38850a4f.919486838@...et.com>... (...) fancy of a (...) seekers of it (...) I take back what I said. I think Larry could tell you his objective definition of good, which I agree with. I will try myself. (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Jasper Janssen wrote in message <387ab92e.833168838@...et.com>... (...) relativism I (...) others (...) is by (...) Discerning (...) good (...) I think you are just plain wrong. Some societies flourish while others perish because they have a better (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Jasper Janssen wrote in message <38830931.919200318@...et.com>... (...) evolution) (...) I had to think about what John said for a day or two to know what he meant. I am still not sure if I took it the right way, but I don't think he is nuts. I (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, if a particular thrice appearing planetary conjunction were to be interpreted as the star of bethlehem (not an unreasonable speculation, using astrological interpretation), and its first appearance did indeed happen in synch with (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(followups redirected to lugnet.off.topic) (...) (nitpick mode on again.... :) Yes, there was no year 0. Yes, the 21st century does not begin until January 1, 2001. Howeever.... Where in the world did you get the idea that 2000 would be *ANY* part (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mike Petrucelli wrote in message ... (...) 0000 (...) Logically (...) curiosity, do (...) While I can agree with the thought that we have not yet entered the new millenium, we have definitely left the '90s. Of course on another angle, we almost (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah.... *bask* (...) I relaised latyer that we were talking about Asimov's robot, which movie now apparently has made it into release. I wonder if it'll go staright-to-video here or not get here at all. (...) Well, I hadn't been reading the (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Darn. I always forget _which_ hallucinogenics to mix with which stuff to make crack. I guess I'll never be a dealer or a chemist now. Jasper (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which means that there is no meaningful definition of good at all. That's not very useful either. (...) <antagonist>Drat. It was a dud. Well, I'll try again in 100 years. </antagonist> (...) If God is good, why has he never deigned to touch (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you can't see the contradiction, I'm not going to be able to point it out to you. (...) Yes.... and? I'm not quite as inept as you seem to think I am, you know. Jasper (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Either you're nuts, or you havent read your history books. Remember what Europe was like when anarchy ruled? Think medieval times in between Charlemagne, William the Conqueror, etc.. It was _not_ fun. Even less so than with great dictators. A (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So the american frontier is what you want to return to? I've got news for you: That also requires returning to the technological and productivity levels of then. The reason those two are so much higher now than they were then is (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, personally I'm glad he isn't Prime Minister anymore, I was for Barak. I'm glad things are working better now, and talks with Syria are developing, even though I'm not there to see it off personally ;-) -Shiri CP to .debate (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.loc.il, lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Multiple times, I think, although it hasn't always been you on my dance card. (...) I highly suspect that we are of similar minds on this issue, and just keep insisting on different definitions. My position in a nutshell, morals=subjective, (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John DiRienzo wrote: <snippage> (...) Ahh, I think Libertarianism would be an excellent system; I just shared James pessimism that it would have a hard time working given today's entitlement mentality. Lazy people want things given to them rather (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. Opportunity was closer to equal then than it is now, but it still wasn't entirely equal. But I'll conceed the point. ;) (...) Then we're of the same mind here. I'll try and remember that next time I flare up at some LMF. :) James (URL) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, that's my point. I'm saying that good is beyond what the particular fancy of a given society says it is. We are not the author of good, we are the seekers of it (hopefully). (...) We'll soon see about that;-) (...) All of these (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, you crossed categories - "crack" is a form of cocaine, obviously a coca-derived drug and not an opiate. -- jthompson@esker.com "Float on a river, forever and ever, Emily" (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We've been around this particular mulberry bush before and I continue to hold with the stance that "good" and "morals" can be objective, correct ones are based on life affirmation. Further, I hold that I can very well label a particular (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yowza! When did this society exist? I'd also love to return to it! It must be millennia since everyone had an equal chance of getting rich, and certainly never in the US! Dave! (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, change that to ANYwhere in America or Canada. But yes, it's biased. That's the point! That's the society I want to see us return toward, a society in which everyone knows that if they work hard and are clever, they've got just as much (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whoops! Forgot the footnote: 1:Which, assuming He exists, IMHO He hasn't(2). When the proverbial omnipotent being wants to provide us with an absolute morality, we will all KNOW, beyond a shadow of a doubt, what it is. 2:What He has provided (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I disagree here, but I'm a cynical little punk. :) I think people in general are only as industrious as they have to be. I don't think the mean is quite as low as "lazy" tends to imply, but I do think the mean is too low for a system that (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Anything based on morals (which "good" typically is) IS subjective, and can never be anything else, at least until God (in whatever guise you like, assuming you believe in Him) provides us with an absolute morality.(1) Neither you nor I can (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) LOL! We'll see, Larry. Scott S. (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Point taken. You're absolutely right. Savor the moment, it comes so RARELY in discourse with me... To be actually immortal means to not be able to choose not to be immortal. However, I think for this discussion we are using Immortality (incorrectly, (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Simplistic answer is that they DID have cash to spend, it was economic boycott that finally broke the "back of the bus" thing with buses, and was going to break down a great deal more quite soon. As for the legal barriers, Laws REQUIRING (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's _not_ what immortal means. By definition, immortal means _not_ able to die or be killed. Not by a .25 bullet, not by an A10 2 kg depleted uranium round, not by a tac-nuke, not by a full-blown 20 megaton H-bomb, not by hurling yourself (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So how would the situation be in the southern states? The black population _didn't_ have cash to spend, and they didn't have much chance of improving that either. Would gays be open about being gay like they are now, without the entire (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Despite our Bicentennial Man issues 8^), I agree with you here 100%. I'm pretty sure that all the Best-Lock sets available to date are still available, if not still in production, so it probably isn't cool to scan the instructions yet. What (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do tell. (...) That was a joke, son. (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Opiates and Coca-derivatives _are_ generally harmful for human use, unless done under guidance. Most humans tend to not be able to provide that guidance to themselves, as seen in all the addicts. AFAIK, various opiates are legally available on (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, I didn't do the best job of citing references--sorry about that. I'm at work now, so I can't give you the titles at the moment, but I didn't want you to think I was ignoring you, either! Next time I log on from home I'll follow this (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good isn't objective. What we, society as a whole, consider to be "good" is both up for debate in certain areas (I'm specifically _not_ going to mention ab*rti*n here), and it is no more valid than the ideas of other societies, other than (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Industrious in the area of work is something completely different from lazy in other areas. You know that. [move stuff around a bit] (...) Exactly. Now replace "feel" with "under their analysis", _or_ replace "under our analysis" with "we (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I am going to ~try~ to make a sensible post... John Neal wrote in message <386C54F9.20331CB5@u...st.net>... (...) think (...) definition - (...) relativism I (...) others (...) is by (...) Discerning (...) good (...) In a huge thread where I (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Basically good ===[by The Jasper Janssen English Dictionary] at least trying hard. So that about corresponds ;) Jasper (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Stuff and Nonsense to the both of you, lazy thinkers!... I have 3 points to make: 1. People aren't as lazy(1) as you think. Most people are industrious and hard working, even in this screwed up society of today. It's only in Legoland where the (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I like a more objective definition because I hate the trend towards relativism I think we are experiencing these days. If a sociopath considers killing others good, is it? But if good is objective, from who's perspective? God, who is by (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, as in "The pundits were predicting that Bubba's successor would either be wood-boy or Dubya, but a miracle happened and we inaugurated our first Libertarian president in 2001"... :-) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I heard of a friend of a friend of a friend that got very very sick from doing weed that the federales had sprayed with herbicide, in their foolish and failed drug war, but it probably was an urban legend. I had a friend who passed out in a (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Have they been out long enough to be out of production on some of the sets already? Seems to me (and I ain't speaking for anyone else, just myself here, you have to decide for yourself what is right, no matter how clear cut it seems to me) (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Dave Schuler wrote in message ... (...) satirist. (...) Any (...) I just moved and don't know the book's current whereabouts. So, despite my desire to do so, I can't see those chapters now. Refresh me (titles should be adequate). IMHO, it was a (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Jasper Janssen wrote in message <38728079.753103163@...et.com>... (...) Wish I could say that! Well, I've paid for my previous misteaks, and its a whole new millenium, almost. (...) Me too. (...) Well, there are legal ways, and it seems like a step (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you have any back-up for that ad hominem assessment, or are you just angry? In fact, he's quite insightful and an acknowledged political satirist. For one example of his punditry, I refer you to chapter 30 of his book. Further, if you want (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow. You have a fairly radical definition of good, it seems. I tend to think of good as 'not meaning harm', but that's a very loose and general definition - don't try to pin me to specifics, please. "Good" in my books is almost entirely (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let me say this again (I'll type slowly so you can get it easier;) only God is good. Yeah, I know, some people *seem* good and some more than others, but when you get right down to it, all people are motivated by fear, selfishness, pride, (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah.. this explains all. G Dubya Bush. (...) "and I was wrong AND HERE'S WHAT I AM GOING TO DO ABOUT IT:"[emphasis mine]? Neither did Frank answer that one, BTW. Although I inferred that to Frank, "here's what I am going to do about it" would (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've never heard of _anyone_ dying from bad weed. Heroin, cocain, crack, XTC, yes, but not weed. (...) What's the difference between the politician and the parent? (...) Absolutely. And sleeping pills, caffeine,... (...) Hah. As if he could. (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Is that why they call those little dogs "Pugs"? the one that look like thier faces were "punched in"? : ) John (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Al Franken is a stupid little idiot, but funny as Steve Martin or Chevy Chase. I liked that book too, despite its erroneous and pugnacious (1) title. 1 - I remember learning that English word in Latin class. -- Have fun! John The Legos you've been (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh yeah, I know what the word means. Probably derives originally from pugno, pugnare, the Latin verb meaning "to fight, punch, etc". I just don't hear it used much. :) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Have you read Al Franken's "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot"? Regardless of your political views, it's a riotous read! Dave! (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mike, (...) You're welcome. I can't take credit for that word, however. I heard that on Rush, and looked it up. It describes most flaming leftists, IMHO. It is fun to see people balk when they hear it, though! "Man, that movie was bad." "Yes, it was (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pugnacious. What a great word. I'm going to find a way to work that into conversation tomorrow night at the little party we're throwing. Thanks. :) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not that this impacts her views any, but she was recently diagnosed with breast cancer, and has been (as one would expect) encouraging women to "Get. The. D*mn. Mammogram." (Actual quote, with apologies to LUGNET ToU.) (...) As in "Mumble (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Molly Ivins should go to China, Cuba, or some other Communist country where she belongs. What a pugnacious malcontent! Scott S. (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for the info. I actively dislike that woman, though. I usually have trouble getting all the way through one of her columns without swearing at her under my breath. It IS a good coinage as it sort of rhymes with "bubba". (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Molly Ivins (the columnist, based in Dallas, I think) has been using "Dubya" to refer to GWBush for some time now, well before Trudeau. Y'know, much as I like living in Austin, it depresses me that my presidential vote won't count (I usually (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) " 'Dubya " is a nickname I've heard used for George W. Bush. Say his middle initial slowly, and put a little Texas drawl into it and "double U" mutates into "dubya". I think it may actually have been Gary Trudeau (Doonsbury author) that coined (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<386B7C15.40D460AE@voyager.net> <FnKBD7.Ao9@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I've played with one, but never used one for anything serious. I did use a slide rule a few times in High (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If they are not involved in any control of drugs (for example not a politician, cop, or parent), and they aren't still doing drugs, nothing other than perhaps acknowledge that yes, they did do drugs . If they are a parent trying to keep their (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Another extremely cool thing about him is that he was better educated than just about any SciFi writer out there, then or now, and as such was able to impart greater technical insight to his writing without sounding like he was trying to (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which I didn't ask because I don't think they're relevant. I agree with you. I wouldn't mind too much, personally, if there were at least legal ways to get the stuff under medical prescription. AT least that would be a step in the right (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<FnInFv.CHL@lugnet.com> <FnItEp.D5q@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Asimov is "the master" not because he's the best of all SF writers, (he's not) but because he was writing stuff that others (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not running for office. <crowd sounds of huge sigh of relief> Not the same standards of behaviour. However, I can honestly say that I never swiped anything. And as for drugs, which you didn't ask, I freely admit that I've used them. The (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Interesting. I wonder if Asimov changed it because "bicentennial" became part of the U.S. popular consciousness in 1976. It would seem an easy thing to research... Dave! (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Can you honestly tell me that you have never ever in your youth swiped a candybar or something similar from a store? Taken a pen home with you from school? etc.? The point isn't that it wasn't _wrong_, it's that after <mumble> years, there is (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<386A85C4.716D28B3@n...scape.com> <FnJ57G.8vs@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I don't know what decade I read it, but I do remember that the Asimov story I read was titled (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Was that its original title? I only came across it about 7 years ago, but I'm almost certain it was "Bicentennial Man" even then. Dave! (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Scott E. Sanburn wrote in message <386A5CF5.B1434BC3@c...eb.net>... (...) all (...) Treating (...) Just a comment, when did regulation of the waste disposal industry occur? Around the same time that Civil Rights was in full swing? While the Civil (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sorry for so many posts on this boring subject, but... Larry Pieniazek wrote in message ... (...) transferring (...) I think if this particular industry (and nearly any other, for that matter) were privatized, the actual costs would go down (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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