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Subject:	Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
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Date:	Sat, 1 Jan 2000 14:05:45 GMT
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On Fri, 31 Dec 1999 19:30:52 GMT, John Neal <johnneal@uswest.net> wrote: > I hope it does. It seems to be a more mature (in terms of societal evolution) > system of government. Anarchy would be the most mature, IMO. Either you're nuts, or you havent read your history books. Remember what Europe was like when anarchy ruled? Think medieval times in between Charlemagne, William the Conqueror, etc.. It was _not_ fun. Even less so than with great dictators. A societal system needs to be stable to survive. Anarchy is not statically stable, but it's also not even dynamically stable. Jasper

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		Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
Jasper Janssen wrote in message <38830931.919200318@...et.com>... (...) evolution) (...) I had to think about what John said for a day or two to know what he meant. I am still not sure if I took it the right way, but I don't think he is nuts. I (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
(...) You are correct, John. (...) Never say never(;), but I'm with you in thinking that we as a race aren't anywhere near that state. (...) I believe that existence after death will be on a higher plane, although I know not how or even care (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
(...) That's an old misconception. Having just helped teach a course called "The Emergence of Medieval Europe" (c.300-1000), I can tell you that it wasn't anarchy--things were in flux, but it only appeared anarchic because the meaning of fealty and (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
(...) See, where Libertopia differs from other -topias is fundamental. First, we are not claiming that it's perfect. Instead, we claim there IS no perfection in society. There always will be situations where things turn out unfairly (is a freak (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
<386E8B8E.EF62ED6C@voyager.net> <FnorLK.8q2@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) By John's definition, the socialist/anarchist Utopian projects are in the same category as "libertopias". I (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
<386EFD98.7B4CFC41@p...t.msu.edu> <FnqIsM.4Lo@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) There are a lot of Europeans who would disagree with you that "slow" socialism has failed. It's alive and (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
John DiRienzo wrote: <snippage> (...) Ahh, I think Libertarianism would be an excellent system; I just shared James pessimism that it would have a hard time working given today's entitlement mentality. Lazy people want things given to them rather (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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