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Subject:	Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
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Date:	Sat, 1 Jan 2000 19:00:00 GMT
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Jasper Janssen wrote in message <38830931.919200318@lugnet.com>... > On Fri, 31 Dec 1999 19:30:52 GMT, John Neal <johnneal@uswest.net> > wrote: > > > I hope it does. It seems to be a more mature (in terms of societal • evolution) > > system of government. Anarchy would be the most mature, IMO. > > Either you're nuts, or you havent read your history books. > > Remember what Europe was like when anarchy ruled? Think medieval times > in between Charlemagne, William the Conqueror, etc.. It was _not_ fun. > Even less so than with great dictators. > > A societal system needs to be stable to survive. Anarchy is not > statically stable, but it's also not even dynamically stable. > > Jasper I had to think about what John said for a day or two to know what he meant. I am still not sure if I took it the right way, but I don't think he is nuts. I think he is saying (and I would agree, if he is) that the society that could function properly without any form of government would consist of the most evolved people possible (his words were "most mature in terms of societal evolution"). In a way, he is saying (well, I am, anyway) that once human beings (as a society) become fully evolved, there will be no need for any government whatsoever. I don't believe people are anywhere near (and have no way of knowing if they could ever reach) that state of evolution. I tend to believe anarchy will never work, because although humans will always evolve, I doubt they will actually evolve to perfection - I see that as similar to counting to infiniti. -- Have fun! John The Legos you've been dreaming of... http://www114.pair.com/ig88/lego my weird Lego site: http://www114.pair.com/ig88/ "Censorship is yet another tool in the dumbing-down of America by a power structure that relies on a populace too lazy or ignorant to think independently." -Vanessa McGrady

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		Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
(...) Hmmmm. If that _is_ what he is saying, I would tend to agree. But I personally would tend to place strict libertarianism as quite close to anarchy on that scale (strict libertarianism, after all, is just anarchy with "something" (not the (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
(...) Will you stop? Where do you get that idea? What "higher power"? That's not it at all. My goodness what a stew of misconceptions. Do you listen to anything I say or are you just so sure you know what it is that it all blows past you? One more (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
Jasper Janssen wrote in message <3897ae4f.961476863@...et.com>... (...) he (...) in (...) anyway) (...) no (...) perfection - (...) OK, Jasper, just for fun, I will acknowledge this. Lets say the ideas of Libertarianism are only one step from (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
(...) Either you're nuts, or you havent read your history books. Remember what Europe was like when anarchy ruled? Think medieval times in between Charlemagne, William the Conqueror, etc.. It was _not_ fun. Even less so than with great dictators. A (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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