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Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
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Sun, 2 Jan 2000 22:39:34 GMT
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Jasper Janssen wrote in message <3897ae4f.961476863@lugnet.com>...
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2000 19:00:00 GMT, "John DiRienzo"
> <ig88888888@stlnet.com> wrote:
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> > I had to think about what John said for a day or two to know what he
> > meant. I am still not sure if I took it the right way, but I don't think • he
> > is nuts. I think he is saying (and I would agree, if he is) that the
> > society that could function properly without any form of government would
> > consist of the most evolved people possible (his words were "most mature • in
> > terms of societal evolution"). In a way, he is saying (well, I am, • anyway)
> > that once human beings (as a society) become fully evolved, there will be • no
> > need for any government whatsoever. I don't believe people are anywhere
> > near (and have no way of knowing if they could ever reach) that state of
> > evolution. I tend to believe anarchy will never work, because although
> > humans will always evolve, I doubt they will actually evolve to • perfection -
> > I see that as similar to counting to infiniti.
>
> Hmmmm. If that _is_ what he is saying, I would tend to agree.
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> But I personally would tend to place strict libertarianism as quite
> close to anarchy on that scale (strict libertarianism, after all, is
> just anarchy with "something" (not the government, but apparently a
> higher power) defining certain rights, but with no way to enforce
> compliance...). And we're nowhere _near_ ready for it.
>
> Jasper
OK, Jasper, just for fun, I will acknowledge this. Lets say the ideas of
Libertarianism are only one step from anarchy. If you
agree that anarchy would be the ultimate in evolution, and are placing
Libertarianism as the penultimate, then what is wrong with working towards
it? Do you suggest that we continue making the same mistakes we already
have before, because "we" aren't ready to move on? We have the choice to
step forward or backward. Maybe you're right, but you offer no other
forward stepping alternative - please do. I think you have both seriously
misplaced Libertarianism on this "scale of evolution" and mis-estimated how
long each step of evolution will take. But, as I said, this is just for
fun, no basis in fact, and I apologize for wasting others' time.
Still, its interesting. If Libertarianism is the penultimate of
evolution, and we have all agreed that the ultimate is impossible, then,
from what you've said, we are only a short distance from reaching the
highest we can. Of course, again, we aren't ready for it. But its right
there!
Personally I doubt we are that close to perfection, but without the
concept of writing, would we have pencils? Without yet taking the next
foreseeable step, we will not know the steps to follow. I am sure there
will be more, but someone else will be frantic about those when they come
into view.
--
Have fun!
John
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