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Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
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On Fri, 31 Dec 1999 18:08:43 GMT, Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net>
wrote:
James Brown wrote:

Biased test sample. 100 years ago, there were lots of lazy people who chose to
stay where they were instead of going to the american frontier.

But yes, it's biased. That's the point!  That's the society I want to
see us return toward, a society in which everyone knows that if they
work hard and are clever, they've got just as much chance as the next
guy of getting rich, and if they don't want to work, they are going to
starve.

So the american frontier is what you want to return to? I've got news
for you: That also requires returning to the technological and
productivity levels of then.

The reason those two are so much higher now than they were then is
_specialisation_. A libertarian society would just about require
everyone to be a homo universalis.

Rights protection == keeping what you've worked for or were freely
given. All rights are property rights.

So that's why you like the days of the colony so much. You don't care
about the right to free speech, or the right to equal treatment, and
the like. (And if you can convincingly reduce _those_ to property
rights, that'll be quite a feat).

Jasper



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  Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
 
(...) Nothing of the sort. I want to return to the frontier mentality, the notion that we can, if we want, be very successful at any number of different things. (...) Again, hardly. The most frontierlike part of america right now is the e-space. (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
 
(...) OK, change that to ANYwhere in America or Canada. But yes, it's biased. That's the point! That's the society I want to see us return toward, a society in which everyone knows that if they work hard and are clever, they've got just as much (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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