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Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
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Fri, 31 Dec 1999 03:48:20 GMT
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Jasper Janssen wrote in message <38728079.753103163@lugnet.com>...
> On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:44:29 GMT, Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net>
> wrote:
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> > However, I can honestly say that I never swiped anything. And as for
Wish I could say that! Well, I've paid for my previous misteaks, and its
a whole new millenium, almost.
> Which I didn't ask because I don't think they're relevant. I agree
> with you.
Me too.
> I wouldn't mind too much, personally, if there were at least legal
> ways to get the stuff under medical prescription. AT least that would
> be a step in the right direction?
Well, there are legal ways, and it seems like a step in the wrong
direction to me, but I am not entirely sure about it. The drug is still
regulated by the government, and the black market still exists - neither of
which will change unless it is fully legalized. I don't think your
suggestion does much good. I do think its very contradictory, and the sense
of irony makes me queezy, that something that is said to be harmful and
dangerous and unfit for human consumption can be good enough to be
prescribed.
> > It is NOT ok to break the law and get away with it, no matter how young
> > you are at the time, and then say, well I was young then. You gotta
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> I didn't say it was. I thought you were saying the statute of
> limitations, as a concept, was wrong.
I think its wrong, for similar reasons already expressed by others. A
system that lets you think its possible to "get away" with something is
flawed. There will always be people who believe they are smart enough to
"get away with it." The statute of limitations (as well as many other
quirks in the system) only enforces that belief. Also, I don't think the
length of time it takes to bring one to justice is a factor. Of course, the
more expedient the better, but better late than never.
> > follow it up with "and I was wrong and here's what I am going to do
> > about it" not "it was youthful exuberance, everyone did it..."
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> So _what_ exactly, _is_ someone supposed to do about doing drugs
> decades ago? Try and puke it up?
If someone did drugs years ago, and is now running for public office, he
ought to have the balls to say... at the time I thought that particular law
was stupid, and I still do, and I will do what I can to change it.
Not what you hear most politicians say, as they wouldn't win. Somehow,
the majority of people prefer hearing a line of BS than something that makes
sense (when given a minute's thought). At the same time, the majority
prefer living in a system that is very prejudiced toward minorities. Thats
not at all surprising.
> > about protecting the rights of the innocent (victims AND accused). And
> > about making criminals suffer the consequences of their choices and
> > about making it up to the victims if possible. At least that's what the
> > libertarian view of the proper function of the justice system is.
> I still have this weird thing about faith in mankind, etc.etc., and
> the ability to change, which is why I believe the whole limitations,
> statute of, thing is a good thing.
So do I! I have faith that if a system has ways for people to "get away"
with something, then they will. I have to side with John Neal, that humans
will do evil things when given the chance - that is the reason why socialism
has never worked well, and usually very badly. The better system would
limit those "opportunities."
> Jasper
--
Have fun!
John
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| (...) Opiates and Coca-derivatives _are_ generally harmful for human use, unless done under guidance. Most humans tend to not be able to provide that guidance to themselves, as seen in all the addicts. AFAIK, various opiates are legally available on (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Which I didn't ask because I don't think they're relevant. I agree with you. I wouldn't mind too much, personally, if there were at least legal ways to get the stuff under medical prescription. AT least that would be a step in the right (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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