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Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
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Sun, 2 Jan 2000 01:14:35 GMT
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John Neal wrote in message <386E6426.576F7583@uswest.net>...
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> John DiRienzo wrote:
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> > Jasper Janssen wrote in message <38830931.919200318@lugnet.com>...
> > > On Fri, 31 Dec 1999 19:30:52 GMT, John Neal <johnneal@uswest.net>
> > > wrote:
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> > > > I hope it does. It seems to be a more mature (in terms of societal • evolution)
> > > > system of government. Anarchy would be the most mature, IMO.
> > >
> > > Either you're nuts, or you havent read your history books.
> > >
> > > Remember what Europe was like when anarchy ruled? Think medieval times
> > > in between Charlemagne, William the Conqueror, etc.. It was _not_ fun.
> > > Even less so than with great dictators.
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> > > A societal system needs to be stable to survive. Anarchy is not
> > > statically stable, but it's also not even dynamically stable.
> > >
> > > Jasper
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> > I had to think about what John said for a day or two to know what he
> > meant. I am still not sure if I took it the right way, but I don't think • he
> > is nuts. I think he is saying (and I would agree, if he is) that the
> > society that could function properly without any form of government would
> > consist of the most evolved people possible (his words were "most mature • in
> > terms of societal evolution"). In a way, he is saying (well, I am, • anyway)
> > that once human beings (as a society) become fully evolved, there will be • no
> > need for any government whatsoever.
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> You are correct, John.
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> > I don't believe people are anywhere
> > near (and have no way of knowing if they could ever reach) that state of
> > evolution. I tend to believe anarchy will never work, because although
> > humans will always evolve,
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> Never say never(;), but I'm with you in thinking that we as a race aren't
> anywhere near that state.
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> > I doubt they will actually evolve to perfection -
> > I see that as similar to counting to infiniti.
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> I believe that existence after death will be on a higher plane, although I • know
> not how or even care really. What matters is the here and now and making • this
> existence the best it can be for everyone.
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> -John
I don't pretend to know anything about any here after. Perhaps there is
one, but it makes about as much difference to me as if God really exists,
and in what form. If the answer is yes to either, I will never be able to
understand it, or comprehend it, so I stick to things that are more within
my realm.
I do think there is a power greater than ourselves of some kind. I have
felt it at times, but can't begin to relay its nature to you, and will not
formulate any definition for you, out of respect to you(1). I have seen the
followers who do not "know" of God themselves, and are miserable for it. I
was in that category 15 years ago, thanks to my parents. So, I can only say
it's there, find it. Being a man, I have much more insight on man's nature,
and many tangible examples to observe, and can learn and do something
worthwhile in that regard.
1 - as I am selfish with my property and my feelings, I am also selfish
with my God. I don't share it with you, and I don't want yours (Golden
Rule). I don't believe many show that kind of respect. Of course, if you
ask...
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Have fun!
John
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