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Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Fri, 31 Dec 1999 18:17:23 GMT
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LPIENIAZEK@NOVERA.antispamCOM
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James Brown wrote:
> Anything based on morals (which "good" typically is) IS subjective, and can
> never be anything else, at least until God (in whatever guise you like,
> assuming you believe in Him) provides us with an absolute morality.(1)
> Neither you nor I can ever be certain how said sociopath is acting in relation
> to his morality.
>
> That being said, however: "Good" can also be a societal (or ethical) term as
> well. I find good & evil to be too strong to use when trying to define things
> as a group, though - right and wrong work better. IMHO, calling someone evil
> is going to get a stronger reaction than calling someone wrong - and it also
> implies more judgement of person than judgement of action.
We've been around this particular mulberry bush before and I continue to
hold with the stance that "good" and "morals" can be objective, correct
ones are based on life affirmation. Further, I hold that I can very well
label a particular society as evil if it is actively engaged in
suppressing the rights of some of its citizens or its neighbors. Still
further, I hold that I can find a particular individual is evil or unfit
to be a member of a productive society. Yes indeed I just passed
judgement and yes indeed I expect a rather strong reaction.
I really can't conceive of anything that's going to change my mind on
that. It's pretty fundamental to my whole world view.
It really ticks people off, but I even take the further step that those
who think morals are subjective are just a tiny bit flawed in their
morality themselves. Doesn't mean I can't get along with them, mind you,
but I have to watch my back as it were. People with flawed morals are
perfectly welcome in Libertopia, as the law there does not judge intent
or morals, merely actions. However if their morals lead them to usurp
the rights of others those folks are going to find it a mighty
unpleasant place indeed.
A good question to ask, though, is are we turning up any new sod, or
just replowing old ground? I dunno. Not my call. But then I love to hear
myself talk, and I do realise that others may find my stance rather
strict and judgemental, and myself rather a prig, even. That's fine.
Now, I gotta go adjust my cummerbund so I am outta here for a bit.
--
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