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(...) So here I am, in the mood for some sort of new .siggy quotation, and lo and behold, one just pops into my lap! (top) Dave K "If God wanted man to think, He would have given him a brain." -BS (20 years ago, 22-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "If God wanted man to think, He would have given him a brain." -B.Schlickbernd -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 22-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, I reject that framing of the issue--there's no need to assume that there's a tit-for-tat arrangement. Why must there be? My assumption (with which you are free to disagree, of course) is that the entire system is improved if the good of (...) (20 years ago, 22-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'd prefer to hope that things remain "peachy" for Larry. But I suppose what you are saying is that peachy-ness (like happiness) is a relative term, and that Larry does not know how "peachy" he is? (...) (That's if Jesus was the Suffering (...) (20 years ago, 22-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But do you see how that's an unsatisfactory answer? If Larry's life turns non-peachy, then you would claim that your point is proven. But if Larry's life does not turn non-peachy, then you would claim that your point is not disproven. Your (...) (20 years ago, 22-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) How else can you convince them that they are wrong? Education (for all) is the key! Scott A (20 years ago, 22-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmm. Did they not have a tendency to start fires, and then charge to put them out? Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 22-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm glad that you have had a blessed life. Chances are that one day things won't always look so peachy, answers won't come so easily, and fates won't be accepted so readily. (...) It is my understanding that God doesn't value "logic" much-- (...) (20 years ago, 22-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You are? Well, dwelling without him is pretty peachy, if you ask me. So then, sorry to hear you're having such a rough time with him. (logically if I'm not miserable then you're not wonderful) (20 years ago, 22-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Why? Who placed this obligation on us and what was gained in exchange? (...) Why? (...) Why? What if they are convinced that blue mud is the cure for AIDS (c.f. South Africa right about now) when we know for sure it isn't? (...) Why? Why (...) (20 years ago, 22-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not getting the joke. :-) I use government services reluctantly but if I *paid* for them already (willingly or not) and there aren't any alternatives (usually because bad money drives out good, or because the government forces a monopoly) (...) (20 years ago, 22-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, I guess I'd say that I believe only in those things for which there is empirical evidence or which can, in principle, be proven. As far as a devout scientist is concerned, I say go right ahead! I would, however, offer that IMO the devout (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No, I am not advocating a tyrany of the majority, I'm saying that is the practical outcome. It recognizing what the difference between what you might want, and what you get. -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) These deaths made the news here too. It's a pity the media did not give the same coverage to the infant deaths caused by sanctions... (...) It is pretty clear now that it was silly of Rumseld to disband the Iraqi army and police... and leave (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not with a big bell around his neck he won't! (...) Good point! We'll just have to tell the media it'd be "unpatriotic" to do otherwise. ;) I forgot No. 9: Make those who have benefited form the occupation (Bush’s corporate buddies) compensate (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The examples of the things we have right are theories-- the examples of things we don't are specifics in trying to apply those theories. Of course we aren't perfect, but we have the perfect blueprint of government-- namely Freedom and (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes. Do you claim to only believe in things that are provable? In the final analysis, what would you say about a devout scientist who believed in God? Is he/she compromised as a scientific thinker? (...) Yes, but I'm curious. There are so many (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I wasn't really addressing your claim of whether we have it right or not. We do have some things right (democracy, freedom of the press, separation of church and state, freedom to move, freedom to leave) most of the time, and there are some (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It isn't the height of arrogance to claim that anymore than it is the height of arrogance to claim we don't have it right. That is -->Bruce<--'s point. That is also the problem with moral relativism, but I digress. Getting back to "we've got (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm sure he'll go AWOL and work on somebody's political campaign. ;-) (...) Can't and shouldn't tell the media what to write - he would simply need to direct them to the unemployment line (but I understand the sentiment). (...) Yup. (...) As (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Okay - now, I've deleted all that preceeded this paragraph above because it indulges in everything you just disavowed. There, a clean slate. If you want to go back into the particulars, I'll be only too happy to shoot you down yet again. :-O (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I'm not convinced that we should have invaded Iraq in the first place, and I'm not sure what to think now: (URL) of me is starting to feel like we should just quarantine these states. I don't know how you fight people who are so caught up in their (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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From (URL) I think that in the case of the [Bush] administration, they really believed it. They really thought they were right, but they didn't let enough sunlight into their thinking process to really have the kind of debate that needs to take (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) here> BTW: Libertarianism rejects the notion of "community" as a liberal fantasy... there is only "me me me" in Libertarianism. ;) Scott A (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) via my paypal account ;) Scott A (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sounds like the beginnings of a worthy plan. Where does one sign up for the Scott A for President campaign? Richard Still baldly going... (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I figure that you and I both know that we're getting off the initial point of the debate, so our audience may wish to tune out at this point! On what basis are you sure of that? Faith? I'm afraid that's simply insufficient for me (and in any (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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From (URL) The Onion>, of course: Libertarian Reluctantly Calls Fire Department CHEYENNE, WY—After attempting to contain a living-room blaze started by a cigarette, card-carrying Libertarian Trent Jacobs reluctantly called the Cheyenne Fire (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Have Bush work point with the Marines/Army in Falluja Have the media call American Security Contractors "mercenaries"… because that is what they are! Rip up the rigged Iraqi constitution. Involve the UN on its terms. Listen to Iraqis... and (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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So you're Ralph Nader and you wake up one afternoon in November to find that due to a glitch in electronic voting, you've been elected President of the United States. What do you do to make things right in Iraq? Does anyone have a workable plan? (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I didn't think I was, but if your interpretations of my writing style is 'holier than thou', I shall endeavour to rephrase. As it stands, my interpretations of your debating technique in this thread are--you're firmly ensconsed in what you (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...and will we ever know the "complete circumstances"? I doubt it; these guys will get away with murder… as will the minority of the troops in Iraq who have abused their position (as a result of poor training). (...) Your loyalty is misplaced. (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What if your countrymen shirk that "responsibility"? (...) But you welcome one which reflects your own narrow moral views? Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) <chuckle> That's cute. Its offensive but you're not personally offended? What are you, publicly offended? Its offensive to others, but more enlightened folks such as yourself are not offended? <chuckle some more> Really. (...) There are some (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) First, I do not blindly support Bush. I am a 1 issue man, and Kerry can have my vote at any time if he ever supports (URL) The Fair Tax> (...) I would say that neither of us knows the complete circumstances in these cases and so commenting on (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmmm, sounds like a case of tyranny of the majority, then? BTW, I like that phrase "wacky Iraqi":-) (...) Well... speaking for myself (a conservative), I must disagree. Look, I don't care about your personal life. Keep it personal, don't break (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I am not questioning your intentions at all - I am trying to bring to your attention the consistently strident, holier-than-thou attitude that undermines the often quite valid points you have to make. Moving back up here after reading through (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Boy I hate when that happens--get a perfectly good tirade going and something happens with IE! Grr!!! Anywho, this time without the frothing (well, probably not...) (...) I am the second guy. Because you chose to misinterpret my intentions, doesn't (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The problem is not the analogy, but your misconception that you are the second guy in that example. (...) No, I'm just teasing you...well, and illustrating your constant fault-finding. . (...) And I really didn't mean that to apply to all (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I would never presume such :) Here's an analogy--there are those who notice that the emperor has no clothes and think to themselves, "Well, that emperor is pretty dense to be walking around without any clothes--look at how much better I am (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not sure what you are saying here. When I said "responsibility", I meant personal responsibility. As I have stated elsewhere, Freedom without morality is doomed. I don't need an amoral government to be my conscience. JOHN (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That is easy, the USA has a boom-bust economy. How about before Bush came to power? (...) Spoken like a true “small businessman”. (...) For those who still have jobs and can afford a home perhaps... As an aside, is the interest on your "home (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) To quote a twist of a famous quotation: "The devil is in the details". We try, and that is all we can do. The world should at least have the opportunity to try. JOHN (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Just enough to be holier than thou, I take it? :-) (...) So....you think I'm wrong? ;-) (...) "Oh, we have both kinds of chips on our shoulders here in Canada: arrogance and self-righteousness." Someone missed the joke.... :-) The greater (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It would probably be helpful if the United States itself embraced those ideals, rather than simply claiming to embrace them. Dave! (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That ditty sounds good, but it does not correlate well with the reality of Washington’s foreign policy “interventions” over the past 50 years. All too often democracy has been quashed and oppression supported. Scott A (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Please indicate for me a time when the picture was rosy so that I may compare. (snip) (...) Don't be so intelligent. I am a consumer. Prices are low. I don't need to know about theoretical economic BS that nobody is sure about anyway. (...) (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It's not arrogance-- it's pride. I am proud that my country embraces Freedom and Democracy. We didn't invent those ideas-- we just embrace them. (...) Specious. (...) Yeah, and there is much sick and wrong with our culture. There is nothing (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actions speak louder than words: Bush is no intellectual. (...) OK. So Palestine did exist then? (...) Why should I? (...) Why? The status of Jerusalem under international law is clear. Scott A (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hardly a rosy picture! "Fewer jobs at home. No pension protection. No health care plan. Gambling the future of Social Security and Medicare" "The Labor Department said the nation's unemployment rate had edged up from 5.6 to 5.7 percent in (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) ...and this comes from the same person who (URL) said>: "to advocate complete freedom without responsibility is to be an Anarchist, not a freedom-lover" Scott A (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I will definitely agree that Canada is as dependant on ff as most. However, we are working on lessening the environmental impact, vis a vis Kyoto and other such incentives. We don't have it 'right' yet, nor will we ever possibly attain (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh. Sorry about that. My mistake. (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But not in off-topic.fun. Take it to o-t.d. It is my view that personal attacks - whether aimed at a group of people or at an individual - do not belong here. Debate someone's point of view, but don't attack people. Personal attacks create a (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You gotta admit that you are contributing factor: that big chip and inferiority complex you have only fossil-fuels the fire. :-) (...) Turn off your heater and say that again... :-) (...) And I suppose that perpetually screaming, "You got it (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Canadians! What can ya do with em? It must be the good beer up there because you're wrong on just about every point. As it says in The Pledge (with or without the god part) the USA is a republic, not a democracy. (...) Ok, you're right about (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why so? The US administrations gets to decide if Iraq sells or not its oil. If they decide Iraqi oil stays out of the market, and the price goes up, who benefits? A hint: do the people who decide have shares in oil producing companies? (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Funny, I was a Liberal during the Reagan years, and used to think the exact same thing. Now on the other side I see how that that characterization was Liberal spin, just as Liberals assertion of Bush being a "moron". It is partisan hacktalk. (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) There it is--the inherent arrogance in the American system. "We got it right!" Yeah, low standards of education, addiction and seemingly perpetual addiction to fossil fuels and (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) (...) It signifies that prices are low so stuff is cheap, and getting money is cheap as well. (...) Borrow money and start a business or buy property! (...) How could they do that if we are taking their oil? (...) No. As it is now it is (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: [Speaking of Dubya, David said:] (...) Couldn't have said it better myself :-) Now, if only half the USA could understand that... Kerry would win it easy... Oh well, It's a shame USA is a democracy. (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And we now loop back to: Well, heck, those wacky Iraqis might vote for Islamic extremists... (...) I must disagree - conservatives want to control others lives and make sure that they conform to their own personal life (i.e. they want their (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I didn't say I took personal offense to it. (...) What an odd thing to say. What is "free of American influence"? Nothing. Are you claiming that there are those in this world that want to eschew all the influence of the US? Think what that (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) St Ronnie was not the sharpest stick in the pile when elected! (...) Do you reject the Balfour declaration which sought the “establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people”? (...) I've heard disturbing ideas from both both (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) OK. Tell me what has changed over the last month! (...) What does low inflation & low interest rates signify? Clue: Take a look at the Japanese economy. (...) If real interest rates are the lowest for 30 years, what is the incentive for me to (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) John, Given your blind support for Bush, would you say (URL) this> is freedom? Given your blind support for Israel, would you say (URL) this> is freedom? (I would have thought that a nuclear deterrent was useless if one’s enemies did not know (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) ROFLMAO :-) Truer words were never spoke! -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It wasn't personal. (...) Ah, but then in the interests of diversity and multiculturalism, do we have a responsibility to allow them to be as they are (killing, oppressing, etc), or should we enlighten them (eg liberate and teach democracy and (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ever done any reading on Carter's cronies? (...) Making light of a man battling Alzheimer's Disease? Too off-color for me. (...) (snip) (...) What the heck is "historic Palestine"? This leads me to think about some disturbing ideas I have (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The choice is to accept God or not. I'm sure that dwelling with God is as wonderful as dwelling without God is miserable. (...) Freedom of religion doesn't mean "freedom from religion". But let me ask you: do we have an obligation to assist (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) When Monty Python was funny, they were absolutely hilarious. I have many of their sketches partially committed to memory. A lot of their stuff was not very humorous to me at all. This seems to be one of those times;-) But it's nice to see the (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That is old news with outdated figures. And BTW, that reminds me. Seen our rate of inflation lately? I am a small business owner, and for me, this is the best economy I have experienced since I started paying taxes some 30 years ago. It has (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I neglected to add (URL) this link>. Scott A (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I’m not Monty Python’s biggest fan, but I did enjoy (URL) Terry Jones’s take on Bush>. (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ever thought about why interest rates are so low? Scott A (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) As an aside, I loved (URL) this quote> about your alleged president: For years it has been my belief that the ideal US president for Middle East peace would be one who had the ethics of a Carter, the popularity of a Reagan and the strategic (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Must be tiring to spend so much time being offended. Nevertheless, unthinkable as it may be, there are those that value among their freedom oriented aspirations to be 'free of American influence'. So highly in fact, that they would be prepared (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps this is a matter of semantics. Under what I understand of your faith, you are "free" to to worship God or to condemn yourself to eternal damnation, but that's like saying "you're free to eat this ice cream cone or to hit yourself on (...) (20 years ago, 19-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ummmmm, are these comments directed at me or as a general statement? To answer it as a general statement, it is a religious (or cultutal) thing, not a racist thing. Generally speaking, religious fanatics don't want to be free, or at least (...) (20 years ago, 19-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But it is my choice to limit myself, and frankly, to advocate complete freedom without responsibility is to be an Anarchist, not a freedom-lover. (...) I'm not sure what you mean here. Freedom is freedom. What is Bush's vision that differs (...) (20 years ago, 19-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The dead in Iraq won't be given that chance... Do you seriously think Bush will giver power to anyone who upsets his little apple cart? Don’t be a fool, Bush wants Bases & Oil; not freedom for Iraq! (...) (URL) Many do:> Consider the explosion (...) (20 years ago, 19-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Maybe, or maybe not. In terms of religion and faith, you yourself are far less free than I am--wouldn't you want to be free in the first place? And in any case, why must the American Vision of Freedom be the universal solution for everyone? (...) (20 years ago, 19-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think it is a bit offensive and even racist to believe that any human being wouldn't want to be free if truly given the chance. (...) What gives? Isn't that the very mantra of regulating Liberals? (...) He supports the will of the people who (...) (20 years ago, 19-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Again? That would require that we voted for him the first time. -->bruce<-- (20 years ago, 19-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, heck, those wacky Iraqis might vote for Islamic extremists - an eventuality that the Guy Not Elected by "Yankees" did not even consider. Gotta save them from themselves, don't you know. Let's face it, why should Bush support the will of (...) (20 years ago, 19-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I thought (URL) this> was a great article. Two key sections of text: “Two nights ago, this most dangerous man, George Bush, talked about "freedom in Iraq". Not "democracy" in Iraq. No, "democracy" was no longer mentioned. "Democracy" was simply left (...) (20 years ago, 17-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) NO!, I said it would be a start. Israel is perfectly entitled to defend itself... nothing more! (URL) this>: "The Israeli occupation army and paramilitary Jewish settlers have killed 545 Palestinian children and minors since the outbreak of (...) (20 years ago, 15-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So you are suggesting that if Israel stopped any and all violence against the Palestinians, that specific action would then stop Palestinian terror? Naive and wrong. (...) Those borders were pretty much proposed already and were rejected. As (...) (20 years ago, 15-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Perhaps they could start by ending Israeli terror? Then they could return to the '67 borders and compensate refugees. Despite what the Old Testament says, the West Bank does not belong to Israel. Although it would be an injustice to the (...) (20 years ago, 14-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What specifically do you propose Israel do to end Palestinian terror? What specific options are available? JOHN (no Yankee fan here---Win Twins!) (20 years ago, 14-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I agree. His belief that “terrorism” can be stopped by attacking the symptoms whilst (URL) stoking the cause> is very dangerous… and mind-boggling. Scott A (20 years ago, 14-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) To me, the worst part wasn't the press conference, but rather the follow-up reactions from the faithful. CSPAN this morning had a number of callers praising Dubya for his unshaking resolve, while others expressed satisfaction that Dubya had (...) (20 years ago, 14-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This been in all the local Canadian papers--not really a 'dirty little secret'. The gov't claims that this 'culling' is to help, not to hinder. Yeah, the Canadian gov't helping anyone right now is something I can live without. But who to vote (...) (20 years ago, 14-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I thought the whole tone was that of fawning sycophancy. A bunch of school kids would have been more probing. (URL) Another perspective>: Bush's demeanor was arrogant and unrepentant. Asked on numerous occasions to name things he would have (...) (20 years ago, 14-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) 1,000,000 unnecessary deaths?> "It is horrible to see the aftermath of this slaughter. There is blood everywhere. Every few feet as you walk across the ice, you pass by large pools of blood and carcasses lined up in open graves. Their eyes (...) (20 years ago, 14-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The press, at least, asked what I consider to be better questions. They seemed to be slightly apologetic or evasiv about the way they asked them--"There are those who say that.... How would you respond to those critics?" At least the questions (...) (20 years ago, 14-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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You deserve what you get. I have never seen anyone shoot himself in the foot so much than in this press coverage... "When we get this Iraq thing right..." Yeah, we're waiting on that one, Mr. President... And the constant little laughs... this is no (...) (20 years ago, 14-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It was not a speech; Blair struggles to find a sympathetic audience in the UK these days. (...) I feel sorry for the troops; there are not enough of them and they have the wrong type of training. I blame Bush, Rumsfeld etc for the alleged (...) (20 years ago, 13-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Don’t be fooled by this; abandoning Iraq is not the only alternative. Scott A (20 years ago, 12-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If I could stop the murder of Iraqi civilians simply by over-estimating the number of deaths, I would certainly do so. Wouldn't you? Anyway, do you have documentation for your rebuttal of Iraqbodycount's methodology? If you're correct, then (...) (20 years ago, 12-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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