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Re: George Bush has legitimised terrorism
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Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:29:51 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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> > I will definitely agree that Canada is as dependant on ff as most. However,
> > we are working on lessening the environmental impact, vis a vis Kyoto and
> > other such incentives. We don't have it 'right' yet, nor will we ever
> > possibly attain 'right'.
>
> Just enough to be holier than thou, I take it? :-)
I would never presume such :)
Here's an analogy--there are those who notice that the emperor has no clothes
and think to themselves, "Well, that emperor is pretty dense to be walking
around without any clothes--look at how much better I am realizing that I have
clothes and this 'more powerful person than me' has none!" and there are those
that, in a private aside, whisper to the guy, "Psst, hey buddy, you may not have
noticed, but you have no clothes on--perhaps you should think about doing
something about that."
On the one hand, the first is arrogance, 'holier than thou', and just all around
pompous. The second one is a friend telling another friend, "Hey, your fly's
down."
At least, that's the way I look at it.
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> > If someone was perpetually screaming "You've got it wrong!", I'd say, "Hey
> > Chicken Little! The sky ain't falling" I think I tempered my comments with
> > the idea that I like much of what America does. If you didn't pick up on
> > that point, eh... ;)
>
> So....you think I'm wrong? ;-)
But you're not wrong all the time--that's the good bit :) As usual, what we
have here is a failure to communicate :)
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> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > It's like that quotation from 'Blues Brothers"--"Oh we have both kinds of
> > > > music--country *and* western" as if there are no other kinds of music.
> > >
> > > Someone missed the joke...
> > > (dang, I finally have to skip the smiley)
> >
> > I got the joke--I was referring to the actual character's blind
> > arrogance--she thinks there are only two types of music and didn't have the
> > ability to see outside her own little world to realize there might be other
> > types.
>
> "Oh, we have both kinds of chips on our shoulders here in Canada: arrogance
> and self-righteousness." Someone missed the joke.... :-)
Well, I wouldn't attribute that to all Canadians, just the ones who post
regularly in o-t.d. Oh wait, that's just me... (hangs head down, kinda shuffles
foot over ground, acting all sheepish-like)
>
> The greater
> > joke is that the character will probably never realize that there are other
> > types of music beyond 'country *and* western' unless someone points it out
> > to her. The 'ensconsed in my own little world' mind trap is something we
> > should work towards eliminating. These fracteous times call for a greater
> > understanding of the world and events happening around us, not a narrower
> > worldview--"We got it right!" kinda narrows the view down to 'Us and Them',
> > in which the "Us" are right" and if them ain't with "Us", then "them"'s
> > invariably against "Us" and therefore, "Them"'s all wrong, as pointed out
> > with the US policy with the war in Iraq. The greater joke here is that "Us"
> > (or U.S., which also works on a different level) is that all the "right"
> > reasons for the war turned out to be completely false. Now democracy isn't
> > even trying to be attained, but 'US friendly Iraqis' are being appointed for
> > the turnover.
>
> Well, heck, otherwise those wacky Iraqis might democratically elect religious
> fanatics! The kind that will want to say prayers in schools, but {not}
> [Protestant] ones. The nerve!
Well, 'freedom is as freedom does' as momma used to day...
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> > > An ironic choice of words: If there is cacophony, by definition there isn't
> > > harmony. And clearly you haven't been to southern california which speaks
> > > something like 140 different languages. I'll see your multi-culturalism
> > > and raise it by 100. :-)
> >
> > Hence the 'Sometimes, to be sure, there's cacophany'.
>
> Translated: "There is harmony...except when there isn't."
Translated: harmony is better than monotony, even taking into consideration that
sometimes there may be cacophany mixed in with the harmony--or did you miss that
allusion to the Borg--"Resistance is futile"
At the very least, if everyone did things as Americans do, where would Hockey
be? And your beer--Ugh!
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> Dang, the Wachowski Brothers will probably include that line in The Matrix
> Regurgitated.
part 4? I'm buying my ticket now.
>
> > Spell it out real
> > slow-like--If there is diversity and harmony in society, there may be times
> > when there may be cacophany. Work thru it.
>
> One.....hundred.....forty....languages.....-.....
> didn't......you.....understand......that.....perhaps.....your......lecture.....was.....way......off-base?...
>
> Oh......wait.....that's......why......you.......cut.......that....part.....out....so.....you......could.......still......pretend......to.....the.....moral.....high......ground.....and......be........condescending.
>
> Slow enough for you this time, eh?
I saw it, thought it was parenthetical, but you obviously want to get into it,
so--
Toronto, as far as I know, has the most diverse ethnic population in the world.
I don't need an entire half of a state, I just need to drive to one city to find
it.
further--
t...w....o....o....f....f....i....c...i....a...l...
..l...a...n..g...u...a...g...e...s...
--....o...n...e.....c...o...u....n..t....r....y....
Talk all you want about what ethnicity and differing languages that the people
speak--I'm sure Canada could match you (or at least come close) and with 1/10th
the population to boot, but how many officially recognized (i.e. written in
law') languages do you have? Can you call up your gov't agency and demand to
speak with them in anything other than english? It's the law here in Canada.
Not that this is a pissing contest or a denegerating thread into "Us (insert
country here) and Them (insert other country here)" ;)
> -->Bruce<--
Dave K
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| (...) The problem is not the analogy, but your misconception that you are the second guy in that example. (...) No, I'm just teasing you...well, and illustrating your constant fault-finding. . (...) And I really didn't mean that to apply to all (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Just enough to be holier than thou, I take it? :-) (...) So....you think I'm wrong? ;-) (...) "Oh, we have both kinds of chips on our shoulders here in Canada: arrogance and self-righteousness." Someone missed the joke.... :-) The greater (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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