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Re: George Bush has legitimised terrorism
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Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:44:30 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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The choice is to accept God or not. I’m sure that dwelling with God is as
wonderful as dwelling without God is miserable.
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You are? Well, dwelling without him is pretty peachy, if you ask me.
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I’m glad that you have had a blessed life. Chances are that one day things
won’t always look so peachy, answers won’t come so easily, and fates won’t
be accepted so readily.
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But do you see how that’s an unsatisfactory answer? If Larry’s life turns
non-peachy, then you would claim that your point is proven. But if Larry’s
life does not turn non-peachy, then you would claim that your point is not
disproven. Your stance is not persuasive, except to those who alrady share
it.
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It’s unsatisfactory to a logical mind. Logic is a tool, but not the end all
of inquiry. It has its limitations. Heck, I can use logic to prove that
movement is impossible (ask). Applying logic to God is like trying to measure
the volume of an ocean with a ladder. A ladder is a useful thing, but not in
this case. Let me ask you: is the concept of God “logical”?
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So then,
sorry to hear you’re having such a rough time with him. (logically if I’m
not miserable then you’re not wonderful)
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It is my understanding that God doesn’t value “logic” much-- the archetypal
example would be King Jesus the Suffering Servant.
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Yikes! A god who doesn’t value logic is wholly unworthy of my worship,
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Poor wording on my part. What I meant is that God doesn’t rely upon logic a
lot. God chose a small band of nomads to reveal itself to mankind. God came to
earth not to rule humans but to be killed by them. Jesus taught that to keep
your life, you must loose it, that the last shall be first, the poor shall be
rich, etc, etc. None of that is “logical”. Logic is irrelevant.
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all
the more so if the god in question is the one who designed my brain to favor
logic over faith.
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What makes you assert that?
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But, as I’ve said before, if god doesn’t value (and,
presumably, is not bound by) logic, let him show me two people who are
simultaneously taller than each other (and no resorting to equivocation or
wordplay, please!)
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I don’t doubt God could do that in a second, but I do doubt that your mind would
be able to comprehend it, in the same way that your 3D mind cannot comprehend a
4D hypercube
God is uncomprehensible. We have no hope to ever understand God with our finite
minds. Merely because we cannot grasp the infinite doesn’t necessarily mean
that it doesn’t exist. That would be illogical;-)
JOHN
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| (...) You can, but your logic would be faulty. Present your argument for review, if you'd like. (...) This is that wordplay I cautioned against! (...) Which God? The Christian God? You'll likely disagree, but I find God to be logically impossible on (...) (20 years ago, 23-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) But do you see how that's an unsatisfactory answer? If Larry's life turns non-peachy, then you would claim that your point is proven. But if Larry's life does not turn non-peachy, then you would claim that your point is not disproven. Your (...) (20 years ago, 22-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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