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Re: George Bush has legitimised terrorism
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Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:00:05 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > Wrong. In this case WRT to the concepts of Freedom and Democracy, the world
> > > {ought} to think like we do. We got it right. Sorry to upset your PC
> > > sensibilities.
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> >
> > <snip>
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> >
> > > [JOHN]
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> > There it is--the inherent arrogance in the American system. "We got it right!"
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> You gotta admit that you are contributing factor: that big chip and inferiority
> complex you have only fossil-fuels the fire. :-)
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> >
> > Yeah, low standards of education, addiction and seemingly perpetual addiction to
> > fossil fuels and the 'blind eye' to the ramifications thereof...
>
> Turn off your heater and say that again...
> :-)
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>
I will definitely agree that Canada is as dependant on ff as most. However, we
are working on lessening the environmental impact, vis a vis Kyoto and other
such incentives. We don't have it 'right' yet, nor will we ever possibly attain
'right'.
> >
> > Understand that I have much respect for my southern neighbours--America has many
> > great attributes and wonderfulness.
> >
> > But the flip-side is the inherent arrogance that I've personally seen--"we got
> > it right (so why aren't you doing what we do?)"
>
> And I suppose that perpetually screaming, "You got it wrong!" isn't some form of
> arrogance? :-)
If someone was perpetually screaming "You've got it wrong!", I'd say, "Hey Chicken Little! The sky ain't falling" I think I tempered my comments with the idea that I like much of what America does. If you didn't pick up on that point, eh... ;)
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> > It's like that quotation from 'Blues Brothers"--"Oh we have both kinds of
> > music--country *and* western" as if there are no other kinds of music.
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> Someone missed the joke...
> (dang, I finally have to skip the smiley)
I got the joke--I was referring to the actual character's blind arrogance--she
thinks there are only two types of music and didn't have the ability to see
outside her own little world to realize there might be other types. The greater
joke is that the character will probably never realize that there are other
types of music beyond 'country *and* western' unless someone points it out to
her. The 'ensconsed in my own little world' mind trap is something we should
work towards eliminating. These fracteous times call for a greater
understanding of the world and events happening around us, not a narrower
worldview--"We got it right!" kinda narrows the view down to 'Us and Them', in
which the "Us" are right" and if them ain't with "Us", then "them"'s invariably
against "Us" and therefore, "Them"'s all wrong, as pointed out with the US
policy with the war in Iraq. The greater joke here is that "Us" (or U.S., which
also works on a different level) is that all the "right" reasons for the war
turned out to be completely false. Now democracy isn't even trying to be
attained, but 'US friendly Iraqis' are being appointed for the turnover.
Dubya is that character in 'Blues Brothers' with the limited scope and
vision--unable to comprehend a 'bigger picture' (he doesn't even want to read
the paper to see what's going on in the greater world) Unable *and* unwilling
to come to a better understanding of his impact on others. The problem is the
jokes on us because we're mired in this mess, people are dieing for no good
reason, there's no end in site, and all the 'legitimate reasons', both before
the war, during the war, and even now are disappearing like 'gas in the wind'.
And yet 'Us' still sits there and supports this fiasco--"Damn you Spain for
*democratically* electing to end your involvement in the war!!!"
Whatever.
If people weren't dieing, this would make a pretty funny movie.
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> >
> > Well, there's thins thing called harmony. The 'melting pot' mentality produces
> > monotony--"Prepare to be assimilated--Resistance is futile", whereas the
> > 'multiculturalism' mentality of some other countries offers diversity and
> > harmony. Sometimes, to be sure, there's cacophany, but that's part of life.
>
> An ironic choice of words: If there is cacophony, by definition there isn't
> harmony. And clearly you haven't been to southern california which speaks
> something like 140 different languages. I'll see your multi-culturalism and
> raise it by 100. :-)
Hence the 'Sometimes, to be sure, there's cacophany'. Spell it out real
slow-like--If there is diversity and harmony in society, there may be times when
there may be cacophany. Work thru it.
Eh, that's all I got for now.
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>
> -->Bruce<--
Dave K
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| (...) Just enough to be holier than thou, I take it? :-) (...) So....you think I'm wrong? ;-) (...) "Oh, we have both kinds of chips on our shoulders here in Canada: arrogance and self-righteousness." Someone missed the joke.... :-) The greater (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) You gotta admit that you are contributing factor: that big chip and inferiority complex you have only fossil-fuels the fire. :-) (...) Turn off your heater and say that again... :-) (...) And I suppose that perpetually screaming, "You got it (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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