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Bush-Sharon love fest
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:11:59 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
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there’s no reason that the people of the world-at-large should have to
endure him for another four years.
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I agree. His belief that “terrorism” can be stopped by attacking the
symptoms whilst stoking the cause is very dangerous… and mind-boggling.
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What specifically do you propose Israel do to end Palestinian terror?
What specific options are available?
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Perhaps they could start by ending Israeli terror?
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So you are suggesting that if Israel stopped any and all violence against the
Palestinians, that specific action would then stop Palestinian terror?
Naive and wrong.
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NO!, I said it would be a start. Israel is perfectly entitled to defend
itself... nothing more!
Read this:
“The Israeli occupation army and paramilitary Jewish settlers have killed 545
Palestinian children and minors since the outbreak of the al-Aqsa Intifada in
September 2000... The total number of Palestinians killed by Israel during the
current Intifada is around 2700, the vast majority of them civilians.”
How many of those deaths were in self defense? How many were murders? How many
prosecutions have there been?
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Then they could return to
the ‘67 borders and compensate refugees.
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Those borders were pretty much proposed already and were rejected.
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The Palestinians have never been offered all the land within the ‘67 borders as
the basis of a peace deal... they have only ever been offered the bits Israel
does not want.
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As an
aside, would you favor the compensation of Israeli families whose loved ones
were killed as the result of Palestinian homicide bombers?
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I assume you mean suicide bombers? Anyone who commits murder belongs in jail...
compensation is a secondary issue.
Why did the suicide bombing start? Who started targeting civilians?
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Despite what the Old Testament says,
the West Bank does not belong to Israel.
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- I don’t recall the OT mentioning the “West Bank”.
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Either do I ;)
Do you feel the OT is justification for their “land grab”?
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- The “West Bank” refers to Jordanian territory.
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...who have allocated it to the Palestinians.
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- And if the OT did say the West Bank belonged to Israel, why do you necessaarily discount that out of hand?
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I do not reject the OT “out of hand”, I reject the notion that it gives Israel
the right to murder and thieve! Perhaps when the Native Americans get their land
back, we can move on to older land ownership issues?
BTW: What is the biblical explanation for the loss of the OT land of Israel?
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Although it would be an injustice to the Palestinians, I expect most
Palestinians and Israeli’s would accept a return to the ’67 borders in
return for peace… it is the extremists
(5%) on both sides who are the problem.
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Oh really, Scott? So you are saying that a minority of Palestinians are the
problem?
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NO! I’m saying a minority of Palestinians & Israelis are the problem!
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Well no duh, Einstein! And now you see the problem: even if Israel
does whatever you suggest, there will still be Palestinian terrorists who
will not stop terrorizing until Israel is no more! Don’t you get it?
That’s it right there! That is my whole point! Israel is damned if she does
and damned if she doesn’t.
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Yawn: even Hamas quietly admits it is willing to settle for a return to the ’67
borders... but I don’t expect you (nor Sharon) want to hear that!
What about the Israeli extremists? Would they give up their settlements without
a fight even if peace were guaranteed 100%? Remember Sinai; you know the answer
is no.
Why should Israel keep the West Bank? Why should they keep oppressing the
Palestinians? Why keep feeding the fire?
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I’ll go one better-- you are naive and bigotted WRT this issue.
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How do you conclude I’m “bigoted”? Big-toed perhaps! Like others have done, you
are engaging in personal attacks rather admit you are wrong.
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It is about doing what is right. (You need to read
this book, it will help you understand what is right!)
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All of this “what is right” talk makes you sound like a conservative;-)
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I am a conservative in the small-c British sense. ;)
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Well, I read the review on Amazon about the book. Without getting into it, I
can say that if the book is as factually incorrect as this review, it is
pointless to bother reading it.
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Just keep swallowing the bile that conservative talk radio feeds you.
What is interesting about yesterday’s Bush-Sharon love fest is that nobody
appears to be saying this will lead to peace.
Scott A
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| (...) So you are suggesting that if Israel stopped any and all violence against the Palestinians, that specific action would then stop Palestinian terror? Naive and wrong. (...) Those borders were pretty much proposed already and were rejected. As (...) (21 years ago, 15-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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