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(...) No, I'm afraid I do not have any cites. But I have never heard of any place where crime rate was low *and kept descending* in a constant way. The contrary seems however verifiable in most places of Earth where human presence is felt (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.loc.pt, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I mentioned Texas - high handgun density, death penalty, high murder rate. But I bet I could find another state that had high handgun density, the death penalty, and a low murder rate. I rather expect it has a lot to do with the local (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Disagree. Do you have any cites on that? This is such a multivariable problem I'd be surprised if anyone can produce cites that demonstrate anything, although I'm certainly fond of the ones that seem to indicate that right to carry states tend (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.loc.pt, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, the only law that was quoted here on the board was from Colorado. I've heard similiar claims from people in other states - I can't think of one that didn't mention the stuff about reasonable belief that you were in some sort of (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, more *than previously*, not *than expected*. Is it possible that it would have been a 80% (or anything over 40%) increase in case there were NO restrictions on weaponry? Crime has a natural tendency to rise, in any situation - maybe (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are the showing yourself to be the King Fool then. You try to tell everyone else that DOESN'T live in California how much trouble they'll get into, forgetting that the World Does Not Revolve Around California, and laws in other states (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message news:GH1MnF.2nz@lugnet.com... (...) that, or (...) confusion,I've (...) <snip> (...) I have to agree with him on that one. Clowns and mimes are the lowest form of life and deserve closer scrutiny. (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But not above 6000 feet! (...) You poke your pinky into the hole - don't try and actually grab it. (...) They are both fruits - now, apples and coproliths... (...) Just spinning my Miata in tight circles, honest officer! (...) I was (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oops, could well be the case...! And once we get to the "Dots" phase these discussions get a lot ickier! (...) This sounds a lot like you would have nothing substantive to state...but sure, whatever you can dish out I can take. Can you handle (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) With this in mind, and in order to eliminate further confusion,I've compiled the following small (and by no means complete) list. On one or more occasions Bruce has claimed: 1) that he can freeze or boil water in his bare hands 2) that he can (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps it is the mere fact that your messages use certain words that suggest your perspective as being superior. Perhaps a lighter tone and a better use of softer words is needed in a public forum. This is a problem I struggle with all the (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) By Wrong I mean it is unconstitutional in the USA. I explained why it is wrong beyond that in my original post. -Mike Petrucelli (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What do you mean it is "wrong"? Is everynation which has gun control (I expect most do) wrong then? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) here.) Whatever. The point was about Gun Control not God anyway. Sheesh! -Mike Petrucelli (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because Gun Control is wrong. Did you read the rest of the post. (...) would (...) identical (...) owners (...) (traffic (...) contradict (...) at (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with your point on parties. I decided a few years ago that I would never join a party again as it was too much of a compromise. Likewise I try not to pigeonhole myself as being assigned to any particular political ideology. That way, I (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Richard's statement that I was responding to refered to "No one here...", i.e. he was refering to the respondents in the collective. I replied in the collective, which Richard seems to have missed. I'm not going to reply to Richard's message (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I still do not see why he has to change it to siut you. its a factory to him. Josh (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I always remember who comes from the UK, CAUSE I DO TOO! I'll probably bump into him at a Legofest some day. (...) I think flat fee's are a lot more popular in the UK now than they we're. I pay a flat flee. I'm glad Scott is keeping the (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Jesse I will take your 'demand'? of yellow and black striped tiles as a suggestion, and consider it when I get around the finishing the details. Thank you for the suggestion. But as far as smokestacks go, I have been to a number of (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.town)
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(...) Wow, that burst my bubble! Here I thought he was this extraordinarily clever guy capable of sifting through incredibly long and complex threads and coming up with retorts, rejoinders, and references at lightning speed! (That would also explain (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It doesn't require apriori knowledge, just willingness to examine the law, and decide if it's a just law or not. (...) Defacto you are correct, in most cases this is what happens. Dejure you are wrong, common law (and case law if you can find (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> Richard I totally agree with you here but would just like to point out that Bruce MIGHT be responding to Tom S. who I think is shading a bit more towards planting evidence than you. But you're doing great so don't let me stop you! :-) (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Remember, Scott is in the UK, so he probably pays by the minute, unless Amuricans, who mostly have flatfee. In that case, posting them all, then going on later to authorize via email all at once saves money for Lego. Me, I post all at once from time (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You mentioned a 40% increase in crimes using firearms, after the British parliament banned them. Is it not possible such increase had been bigger, instead of smaller, in the event of *no restrictions at all*? Then, you claim only law abiding (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I see now. It looked to me like you'd written 11 posts in 1 stint, but you didn't. Ste (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It appears to me that the computer network is experiencing some problems today. If you did not receive my post about this post, then it must have been lost in Lugnet. I have had a change of heart and believe that you should simply try to find (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope. The Founder Fathers thought they could trust the average venireman to judge both facts and law, no complicated understanding was supposed to be needed -- and if it were, perhaps it was not a very good law such that people could (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Jesse, All of the factories that I have worked at, with the exception of the local refinery, have NOT had smokestacks. A factory is a place of manufacturing is it not? Not all manufacturing process require a smokestack. Your tone still seems (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, that last bit there riles me up some. Mostly because this sort of started (at least on my end of it) because I did not sufficiently qualify the scenarios I made up. I really never stated anything to the effect that I would come out (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How DID you curve the roof of your factory/warehouse? Jesse Long (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I know what you are saying to me and I saw the designs of your factory but if you wish to retain the same shape (because not all factories are shaped the same) and want to make it more like a factory, at least add some of those yellow and (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Doesn't this demand that each member of the jury be conversant with the (possibly very obscure) laws? How can one's "peers" be expected at any time, for instance, to be trusted to interpret the particulars of laws they might never previously (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well I hear it usually is up to the jury to decide who the foreman is using whatever mechanism they decide on, I understand being foreman is perceived as being a bit more work, so I have heard that people will happily go along with it if one (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's not my problem ;-) (...) There'd be no need - if I killed someone in a fistfight, it would be equal force as defense. And if I killed them, they couldn't argue about who started it. Not that I'd get involved in a fistfight, I've pretty (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) were (...) happened, (...) small conservative party is exercising more than it's share of control. Presumably the people back them in rough relation to their voting power. What I am troubled by, both in our system and the other ones with many (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) to (...) Sure. I don't want to invest a lot in defense of this system that I created in four seconds while reading the note before, but I do actually think that part of it has merit. I'm sure that 75% of us would agree that stealing and (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's funny larry. I do the same thing. Most of my coworkers have always wanted schemes to get out of jury duty...but I always thought that was easy and irresponsible. I've always answered everything neutrally so that I would stay. (...) How (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 1. Considering that we are talking about felonies, it's rather a large point. And yes, the constant statement is "I'm going to come out blazing no matter what the circumstances are, and I'll fake evidence and even execute people to cover my (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks, that was the type of thing I was looking for. -Duane (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am not saying that. But it is a valid view. (...) I can't imagine life without a phone. I can live without a car (I cycle the 16 miles per day to work and back). I do live without a gun - I do not live in fear of criminals or the "state". (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you check the times, you will see that I mostly save my posts up and authorise them all at once - not a big deal. I think I posted 12 messages on LUGNET yesterday. I am sure others will have posted more. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But is the flip side not that small parties end up with too much power - the tail starts wagging the dog? I suppose the Israeli system of election is the best example of this: (URL) A (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Storage: (URL) than that I have no real idea how to get a "firearm certificate". Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you are correct, why not just make it costitutional? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you were foolish enough to actually *say* that during jury selection. I think I have the whole "sheep" thing down (or so I think), along with the "maneuver one's self to be the foreman once deliberations start" which is also very useful, (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) By the way--no lawyer worth his shinola would allow you to remain on that jury, of course. (...) So you are in fact advocating the falsification of a crime scene? I trust, than, that if you get into a fistfight and accidentally kill your (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are, no doubt, referring to *genetic* individualism rather than some boogie-man "cloned mind" scenario, since I'm sure you're aware that identical twins are not the same individual, and also that clones would likewise be two (or two (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope, I'd accept that - I mean like calling someone and asking them to come over, shooting them, then going out front and kicking in the door to make it look like a burglary. -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This somewhat illustrates one of my points in the Brave New World thread... cloning advances seem to be on a parallel with population control, and may eventually serve to eradicate individualism. (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Via Canada, but ya. I won't smoke them, though, too iffy on how they were made and whose pockets get lined from the sales. (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I must have missed the film. But that is what *YOU* seem to be saying. (...) Guns are a very popular luxury indeed. And so are telephones and automobiles. All of which have some very serious uses. (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, the reason it *doesn't* make sense is that you require a 75% consensus. In a group of just 12 people it's hard to get 75% agreement on what kind of pizza to get; do you honestly expect that *any* issue, when put before a vote by the (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Like putting a bread knife in the dead man's hand, for instance? ;^) Dave! (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True, but then again I'd like to see how it fared if all the trade embargoes were lifted. It's not like Cuba has any effect on US oil production or anything. Just think, you'd all be able to get those big chunky cigars cheaper, without having (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And up until then, you assumed this trait was limited to cabbies in NYC? (Hey - I'm only taking the line I've been fed here). P.S. to everyone else - not everyone in the UK has a cockney accent either. (...) Oh, right. We group geography and (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Unless humanity was transplanted on Earth rather than evolving naturally, or was created by a divine entity, then yes, there is a way to live in harmony with the environment. (...) SUV's only need a clean fuel source, not really a big deal (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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OK, Rich, send me all your Lego ;-) (...) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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What is the purpose behind firearms? 1. To threat someone/protect yourself 2. To wound someone/protect yourself 3. To kill someone/protect yourself Are there others? /J "Harvey Henkelman" <HarveyHenkelman@webtv.net> wrote in message (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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OK, Rich, send me all your Lego. After all, you don't OWN it ;-) (...) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But God doesn't exist. (Don't bring up God and hold it over everyone, it's been debated to death in here.) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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See, I WAS right - Kalifornia blinders. Bruce, I hate to break this to you, but lots of other states think Kalifornia is a looney bin and so are many of its' laws ;-) (...) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pull bread knife out of drawer, put in dead criminal's hand, let drop to floor. (...) You sexist PIG. Woman can sexually assault people too. (...) Only in Kalifornia would you meet Bubba. In most sane states, you wouldn't. (...) You've got (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You know, I am willing to go a fair way down that road with your friend. Thinking of ourselves as stewards of things is not at all a bad idea. Welcome to the lending library of the flesh... -- Hop-Frog (anyone want my froggy skin when I am (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, Bruce, but if someone breaks into my dwelling, I'm not going to Debate with him as to his intent. BREAKING IN shows the intent, as far as I'm concerned. They'd better be ready to accept the consequences for their action. -- Tom Stangl (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Bruce, you live in Kalifornia, right? You're looking at the world through blinders. MANY states pretty much allow you to shoot first and ask questions later. And if you can prove state of mind, you can walk. You need to head East every once in (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hm, maybe because we are successfully raising bald eagles and releasing them to the wild? (...) Tell that to the treehuggers that are snarling up the courts to delay projects left and right. (...) Moving ONE eagle != wiping out the species. (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Just as people sue Smith & Wesson, Winchester, and Colt- we should be able to sue Ford and GM for hit-and-run accidents (vehicular homicide) in that the make of the car driven by the offender should be brought into question. It's not the gun that (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Chris brings up a good point in sarcastic kind of way; Is man capable of living in a crime free society? Think back to the story of Eden, only two people and they too committed a crime even though they were living the "perfect" life. I think (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I know this was a throw-away comment, but... One could be against the notion of ownership and still be reasonable in owning stuff under our current system. I know someone who thinks that we should accept that we are at best stewards of (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right. One good thing Scott did, long ago, was provide a link to David Friedman's(1) site, which among many other good things, provides a good example of how natural rights don't always work out, and then demonstrates how you can use a cost (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) private (...) be (...) You know what? Not all crimes involve guns. Not all crimes involve cars. But ALL crimes involve brains. If we made it illegal to possess a brain, ALL crime would stop. We could remove brains from children as they are (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, every argument can be beaten down to some foundational principle that is a mere assertion that some may not agree with. I am not sure I have ever seen a philosophical argument that didn't ultimately break down that way. I'd be well (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (traffic (...) contradict (...) There is only one God. (Gods are simply God acting in different forms. God is also the life force that surrounds everyone. Either Way God is God and there is only one.) Considering the Constitution does not (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Bruce: No offense, but this is a rather small point you are making. Okay, okay -- reasonableness in the use of firearm is prerequisite. Fine. I don't actually think anyone is arguing with that as a foundation before deadly force is used. I have (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whose God's law? Mine or yours? Thankfully the US constitution makes it pretty clear that it stands above God's law. (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, IANAL but the text does treat someone in your domicile as a special case. Still, the class I took in Florida did go into this, and you don't get to just brandish your gun or pop off whenever you feel like, there has to be some (as Bruce (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sigh. You haven't followed the conversation have you? I have a 12 gauge and a rifle. I used to have an assortment of handguns. I've been trained by a police officer and a marine sniper. I have a sword, to boot (and yes, trained in that, too, (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Now that I have my ability to post again... The whole idea of gun control (regardless of what the majority belive) is uncostitutional. Our founding father's in their infinite wisdom drafted the constitution to protect everyone's rights from the (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just re-read the previous post. And the light came on, if a little late. Yes, whacking an intruder may put me in the legal spotlight. Yes, I may have broken other laws in the process (1). I'm willing to take that risk if it means that my (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are absolutely right. In fact, why stop there? Since so many crimes involve cars (have you ever heard of a get-away bicycle), we should ban private ownership of cars as well. And since the right to drive is not guaranteed anywhere in the (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thank heavens it wasn't you chasing Eddrick Jenkins. (...) Right. He was justified as it turned out. But if it had been a fireman he'd be hauled away. The point you are not getting is that this is about "I'm going to fire first and ask (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So then what were you arguing? You've just confused me. Where is the distinction? (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well how about this, you go and put a sign in your front yard that say "gun free home", so that way the criminal types will know that they are safe to steal bread from your house, and will stay away from my home and family. jt (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, and you get to shoot those kind of people. I wasn't arguing that. Just blasting away is on dangerous legal grounds is what I was talking about. Odds are you can get away with it. Odds are you were right. But there are enough dead innocent (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's a nice story for you, I'm glad this guy didn't waist time to ask if the intruder was looking for a slice of bread. Gregory Jenkins of Antioch, Tennessee, was awakened by the sound of breaking glass early Monday morning. He got out of (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oops, he simply took the whole loaf. No knife present. They cart you of to jail. Meet Bubba. (...) Oh dang, that was a woman you shot - your alibi doesn't hold up. They cart you off to jail. Bubba thinks you are cute. (...) That fireman came (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well Bruce, I'll let you in on the fact that I worked for the Fulton County Sheriff's department for 4 years, and was well trained on how to use my firearm. Also I was very aware of what intruders can do when they break into a person's home, (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) He would then be cutting that crust off of the loaf of bread on the kitchen counter - he's armed with a knife. *BLAM* (...) I beleived that the intruder was about to sexually assault my wife (or even me, who knows about people these days). (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If a non-US citizen is allowed a word in this matter, I'd point out the fact that the United States seem to be the only "stable democracy" to have such a liberal system for gun-control. It is scary that the 3 nations, currently not at war, (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *Reasonable* belief is what the text refers to. I can't make a better case for there needing to be a required course and test on firearm safety and law than the various responses I'm getting. :-) Bruce (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Awww, but it does say that you "believe" they are going to cause you harm. If someone breaks into my house, I'm going to "believe" that they could be there to cause harm to my family or myself. I will not first ask them their intentions, when (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (clipping lengthy legal text - see previous message if you need to) No, you needn't say more: it's reassuring that I got it right. You can't shoot someone for stealing a crust of bread. There has to be the reasonable belief that the person is (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here’s where I got this: (URL) I say more? 18-1-704 - Use of physical force in defense of a person. (1) Except as provided in subsections (2) and (3) of this section, a person is justified in using physical force upon another person in order (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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My screen shows eleven contiguous posts from Scott Arthur! Is this a record? Has anyone read all of them? Should he get out more? Should I have posted this to off-topic geek? What will Scott's reply be? :-) Steve (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, you asked why I said it "WOULD be great" so I'm posing the reverse. Obviously defense is a "great" reason for having a rifle or shotgun in the home, hence it would be "great" if all Americans had them as the last measure in protecting (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) good to know of an electronic source. Bastiat is cited by a lot of other freedom thinkers. One issue that some will have is that his derivation of *why* people have the rights they do is pretty weak. I know it always comes up here if you just (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Bruce: You're right, I should have qualified my hypotheticals better, but I DO think that Duane is right when it comes to shooting the "other" person dead -- one story, my story, means I go free. Nobody will ever hear the dead person's narrative of (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "The Law" by Frederick Bastiat also covers some of this. For the full text of this AMAZINGLY concise and excellent work, see: (URL) I am sorry to go all "Scott Arthur" on y'all, but some of you really should read some of the primary texts (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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