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Re: National vote on handguns?
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:32:11 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> One issue that some will have is that his derivation of *why* people have
> the rights they do is pretty weak. I know it always comes up here if you
> just more or less take it as an assumption. I think people DO have these
> rights but have not yet been able to satisfactorily demonstrate it.
Well, every argument can be beaten down to some foundational principle that
is a mere assertion that some may not agree with. I am not sure I have ever
seen a philosophical argument that didn't ultimately break down that way.
I'd be well pleased to be contradicted here -- it would be like learning
some ultimate "truth" not otherwise available.
And, yeah -- Bastiat's creator driven stuff is a little annoying. Than
again, Jefferson states similar things and I am not sure he actually
believed in god at all! Invoking god is just a good rhetorical trick, but a
trick nonetheless. "By the will of Zeus, I command thee..."
Sometimes you have to be pragmatic about certain things, and just accept
some philosophical assertions because there is utility to doing so.
Tell ya what though -- would everyone doubting the asserted foundational
principles of "life, liberty, and property" please send me ALL of their
lego. I am sure I can put it to better use -- and if you don't want to
"own" it, I will!
-- Hop-Frog
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| (...) Right. One good thing Scott did, long ago, was provide a link to David Friedman's(1) site, which among many other good things, provides a good example of how natural rights don't always work out, and then demonstrates how you can use a cost (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I know this was a throw-away comment, but... One could be against the notion of ownership and still be reasonable in owning stuff under our current system. I know someone who thinks that we should accept that we are at best stewards of (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) good to know of an electronic source. Bastiat is cited by a lot of other freedom thinkers. One issue that some will have is that his derivation of *why* people have the rights they do is pretty weak. I know it always comes up here if you just (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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