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Re: National vote on handguns?
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:34:18 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> Ancient Greece. Good example of the tyrany of the majority. I'm with you
> on this one.
"The Law" by Frederick Bastiat also covers some of this. For the full text
of this AMAZINGLY concise and excellent work, see:
http://lexrex.com/informed/otherdocuments/thelaw/thelaw.htm
[Note: I am sorry to go all "Scott Arthur" on y'all, but some of you really
should read some of the primary texts before getting into these kinds of
arguments. Y'know political opinions are like ***holes, everyone's got one!
But an EDUCATED political opinion, is a different animal...! Bastiat's is a
well formed and pursuasive essay, and I would certainly welcome seeing
someone else's reading list provided we can agree to stick with well-rounded
arguments, and not just "Scott Arthur-type" heavily pathos, and only pathos,
loaded references.]
Sorry Weeks, but I would also be opposed to any system based on a straight
off majority rule that did not also secure some sense of what precisely the
rights of individuals were going to be -- while the enumeration of such
rights is sometimes worried over inasmuch as it may disparage rights not
listed (see the 9th Amendment), I think the anti-federalists were indeed
wrong on this point. You have to go for the shotgun approach in listing
your individual rights, because almost any legal system will favor power
over rights. Or in other words, rights not listed essentially don't exist,
and they will continually chip away at the ones actually enumerated in our
liberty documents...there are exceptions to this, but you have to trust me
that fighting for rights not listed is almost always an uphill battle all
the way.
Anybody can argue for the dissolution of laws, but who will you trust to
write the new "constitution" -- the same bozos screwing up the government
right now?! Show me your list of possible authors, Weeks, otherwise no thanks!
-- Hop-Frog
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| (...) good to know of an electronic source. Bastiat is cited by a lot of other freedom thinkers. One issue that some will have is that his derivation of *why* people have the rights they do is pretty weak. I know it always comes up here if you just (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) "Bolt" in what sense? "Support(ing) the process" entails living with the outcome (though I can understand moving to a different country). (...) Ancient Greece. Good example of the tyrany of the majority. I'm with you on this one. (...) And (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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