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Re: gay by birth vs. gay by choice
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Wed, 5 Dec 2001 03:47:47 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Kirby Warden writes:
> > Why are you attempting to debate the very nature of Christianity. It has a
> > written instruction perceived to be influenced by a devine entity and has
> > power via the individuals who believe it. Christians are just as free as
> > anybody to believe what they want, but Christianity cannot be rewritten
> > without accepting the notion of a falable god. Any belief that deviates
> > from the instruction of the Holy Bible is not Christian, no matter how
> > similiar the belief may be.
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> Maybe you're not understanding the question... I'll try and ask again. What
> difference does it make whether or not we're genetically predisposed to
> prefer sin? If I have an urge to steal, to murder, to not worship God, or to
> be gay, what difference does it make where that urge comes from? Isn't the
> important part in Christianity that you can overcome the urge and NOT follow
> it, thanks to your faith/love in/from God?
I'm not sure where to go with this part of the debate without actually
veering into a no-holds-barred religious debate. The idea of sin is based
on faith, that immorality is a wrong against a god. As such, sin could
never be proven or disproven by science. Specific behavior however, has
been listed as wrongs that an individual can choose not to do, unless
science could show that specific behavior is a birth trait and cannot be
"removed" by repenting. So i'll chalk it up to the power of faith. The
Bible states that homosexuality is an abomination and should not be
practiced, Christians believe it. On the other hand, homosexuals seem to
want to be Christian without acknowledging that they are sinning. Kind of
like trying to join a club but refusing to follow the dress code or rules of
conduct.
There are plenty of other religions and room for more. Why attack the one
whose 2,000+ yr.old instruction says that the lifestyle is a sin. Why not
just go start a religion that promotes that lifestlye. Again, using the
club as an example, if you don't like the rules, you can find one whose
rules appease you, or simply start one of your own.
I once went to an all black Pentacostal church. One of the requirements for
official membership was to speak in tongues, as described in the Book of
Acts of the New Testament. It is a debatable faith issue that speaking in
tongues is actually required to enter Heaven, yet faith will support it.
Likewise it is a faith issue that repentence of homosexuality is required.
At this point in the debate, it seems that faith takes over. A Christian
believes that homosexuality is a sin that can be overcome. It's really as
basic as that.
> And as to Christianity being violated in the specific, what part of the
> Bible is directly contradicted by the existance of the gay gene? I'm not
> aware of ANYTHING in the Bible that would even remotely be affected by the
> presence of such a gene.
>
> > An interesting note to ponder: The Bible is very explicit where sex is
> > concerned and states that many forms of sexual behavior are abominations.
> > However, nowhere does the Bible say that a certain race of people should be
> > ostrasized, only certain behaviors. The Bible refers to homosexuality as a
> > sexual behaviour.
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> Yes. To the best of my knowledge, the Bible referrs to homosexual acts as
> ... at least "not good", although I don't know the specific diagnosis. IIRC
> it was something along the lines of "A man shall not lie with another man as
> a man lies with a woman. Any man found lying with another man shall be
> [punishment X]" Note, however, it says nothing about the desire itself. And
> yes, Christianity itself doesn't teach ostracism. It just practices it lots.
> Those who I know who I consider to be 'good' Christians don't ostracize. I
> don't know many.
>
> DaveE
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| (...) Ok so far I guess-- although we're assuming some stuff about sin and morality, but there's a chance we won't need to get into it very far... (...) Ah. So your thought is that someone who is genetically predisposed to be gay is someone who (...) (23 years ago, 5-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Maybe you're not understanding the question... I'll try and ask again. What difference does it make whether or not we're genetically predisposed to prefer sin? If I have an urge to steal, to murder, to not worship God, or to be gay, what (...) (23 years ago, 4-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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