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Re: gay by birth vs. gay by choice
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Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:12:41 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Kirby Warden writes:
> From the Holy Bible:
> Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have
committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood
shall be upon them."
Leviticus 18:22
"Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination"
> 1Corinthians 6:9
"Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor
effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, nor thieves, nor covetous,
nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of
God. And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified,
but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the
Spirit of our God."
> Romans 1:26-27
"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women
exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also
abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one
another, Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in
themselves the due penalty for their perversion."
I see where the above teaches not to *PRACTICE* homosexual acts, but nothing
about actually WANTING to practice them. IE according to these passages,
gays are fine as long as they don't actually commit homosexual acts. Note
even the reference to "effeminate" as bad. Well-- ok, it just says they
won't inhereit the kingdom of God, but I assume that's bad. I guess women
are out of luck...
Anyway, if there IS a gay gene, wouldn't a literal Christian just say
"that's ok, just don't *do* any of that stuff you want to do". IE resist
sin. Heck, (as I mentioned elsewhere) we've all got urges to sin
occasionally. Christianity just says we should overcome them. Right?
> It is interesting to note that some gay individuals I debated with have
> stated that they consider themselves Christian. It that is so, then it is
> safe to assume that they understand the concept of Heaven and Hell described
> in the Bible and that one cannot entere Heaven without first acknowledging
> sins and repenting of them.
Well, as overly evidenced on Lugnet, there are so many flavors of
Christianity, it's tough to say. In fact, I know several Christians who
aren't homosexual who are fine with homosexual acts, believe it or not...
> It is very important to understand that the Bible does indeed support the
> notion that God hates sin, not sinners. The whole idea of Christ dying for
> mankinds sins and offering the means of forgiveness would otherwise be
> somewhat ludicrous.
Exactly. It's the sin, not the urge to commit sin. IE if people have the gay
gene, they should just learn to not act on it, might say a Christian.
DaveE
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| (...) Matthew 5:21- here Jesus speaks about "thought sins", whereby a person dwells upon a sin, knowing it's nature, with the intent of "pretending" to to act it out. Specifically the example of adultery, whereby even looking upon a woman lustfully (...) (23 years ago, 5-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) From the Holy Bible: Leviticus 20:13 1Corinthians 6:9 Romans 1:26-27 While reading these scriptures, it is important to understand the context that they are being used in. Homosexuality is described as a practice, as are incest, beastiality, (...) (23 years ago, 4-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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