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(...) I'm inclined to say "at least until proper laws are put in place to keep anyone at all from suing over your injuries" should be replaced with "at least until proper laws are put in place to appropriately distribute liability" Why? Well, by (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That would be all fine and good if we had laws that forced you to take responsibility. Our justice system seems to do the opposite. Even if you didn't sue after cracking your head open, your family might. And they'd probably sue everyone in (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What's the purpose of a car--to get me to my job, to get me home, to wash on Saturday and watch it rained upon on Sunday. What's the purpose of a knife? To open boxes, cut my food, chop the cabbage I threw into my crock pot yesterday. What's (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ah, yes. But you are in the minority, at least as far as some countries go. (example being Canada). You do follow the law with regards to your car right? I assume (if you drive, not sure that you do, since I don't), that you have a license, (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) At least some disagreement here... I don't want to ever register the weapon. I should have to show at least some proficiency, but not to an excessive degree. Societal interest is such that I should show that I am not a danger when using a gun, (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) When I talk about impeachment I talk about lying to a grand jury in front of a federal judge; I talk about if it should be alright for a sitting president to commit a felony and not be prosecuted; I talk about obvious obstruction of justice. (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Thank You. So, you should have to register your gun, and you should have to pass a test to be able to use it before you are allowed to do so. That is NO DIFFERENT than with your car. Gun Control. If you are found to be "responsible" then the (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh, the Israeli army could stop it using military action. Just line every one up and murder them. That'd stop the problem using "military" action. They are acting restrained. They are not using Napalm on the entire west bank, or suchlike...or (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I DON'T know too many who have suffered at the hands of the Canadian Government. Perhaps a change in country? It comes down to trust in your government. If you honestly believe that a group of civvies can stand up to any reasonable army, (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't think I was harsh enough last time I responded to this -- the fact is that the above statement is a flat-out falsehood. I won't suggest that you are knowingly lying, but you are at least following bad political information from some (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That whole line of questioning was really impermissable and would not have happened at another time in history. You are talking about a man that lied about having an affair. Why? Because supposedly you can't be president if you inhale or like (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If you could take your confrontational partisan hat for just a second and re-read my last post you would see that I was actually criticising Republicans in congress who are currently playing politics as usual, by blocking attempts at an (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But, see -- I don't agree with him either. And the gun, operating as an equalizer, puts at least some political power back into the hands of the meek and peace-loving. Now, I am not advocating revolution -- we are yet far from that I hope (and (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Lots of things can kill you -- like automobiles for example. We keep dangerous things around because they are useful -- like automobiles for example. People can be taught to use dangerous yet useful things without harm to anyone, or at least (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) <snip> (...) What it does do is reduce the number of fatalities/injuries from bullets. Dave K (21 years ago, 18-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) I think, at least for me, and I believe I've heard others describe it this way--like when Kennedy got shot, when the Apollo 1 caught fire, when the Challenger blew up, and (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No an unrelated wrong does not justify the other. However it is receiving undue attention when there are larger concerns to worry about. Much like I can not figure out why everyone made such a big deal about the space shuttle accident. Far (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So, an unrelated wrong justifies the other. Nonsense. Nor is the "wrong" proven, just your opinion. (...) Why? -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 18-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No I think he took it exactly as I intended. Along the lines of "why are people making such a fuss over this when there are far worse evils to be stopping first." Also you might want to read: (URL) Petrucelli (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, but gun control does not reduce crime either. (...) If they could stop it through sustained military action, why didn't they? (...) Then the Government must have done something really stupid (...) Make a choice? (...) Yeah I would say (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Going on the assumption that abortion = murder, your argument is that an unconnected wrong justifies another. This requires that you prove any abortion = murder without condition (not to mention you are still saddled with proving one wrong (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. I also have no problem with someone taking the "after morning" pill within the first 2 weeks. (If someone waits longer than that it is their choice and they should deal with the consequeces of their choice.) (...) It is a trailing (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, okay. Are you hereby abandoning your previous arguments, in which you've asserted that increased gun control breeds increased crime? I just want to be clear on this. (...) Right, but is it a sustained military action (a la Desert Storm (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So you're in favor of embryonic stem-cell research? That's a tangential point (purely for my own curiosity) but it meshes nicely with your overall argument. Anyway, why is a heartbeat the deciding factor? What distinct difference exists (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is pretty much what I just said. (...) Well the Israelis are using tanks and helicopters. (...) No, the constitution allows the government to call on the people when neccessary. (...) So? (...) Nukes are overrated. One of those defense (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Once the cell mass has a heartbeat (which occurs after about 21 days) it is distinctly human. Prior to that the cell mass could technically become anything. (...) Maybe a DNA expert but it would be tough. (...) By your definition, not mine. (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think that's what you'd end up debating, unless you're trying to create or debate law which defines the "acceptable" point for an abortion to take place. Then you'd argue the points you brought up. In general, I think the issue that (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True enough. I'm taking it as an abortion debate separate from the Iraq debate. (...) I don't accept "person potential" because, with the advent of cloning, most cells in your body have "person potential." It is not slippery slope reasoning to (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heh. Our last gun control exchange ended with us becoming pals. Who knows what would happen next? You're 100% correct that my examples were anecdotal, which was kind of my point, too. You're also right that a quantity of rifles makes a (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who determines when it's discernably human? If I put a 64-cell embryo on your desk, would you be able to tell me that it's human? Who do you identify as a credible authority on determining humanness? By pre-brain-functional, I refer to brains (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, okay. But in that case you need to jettison your argument that increased gun control leads to (or causes) increased crime. (...) I'm not sure that I recall a sustained conflict between the full might of the military and either of those (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here I am a closet animist and you think I don't know the source of that quote and you think that it is too pagan for me? :-) In any case, it's not the harm, but the immediate impending action that will cause harm that is so specific one can't (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Probably a bad idea. By calling into question the definition of innocence, life, experience, and sentience, you're allowing an "in" that's off-topic. Fetuses are killed by civilian mothers and civilian doctors. The Iraqis in question were (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed. (...) Disagree. Once the cell mass is discernably human and has a heartbeat it is a person. What about the mentally handicapped? (...) So the age of a person determines their worth? (...) What about the physically handicapped? (...) I (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Interesting, personally I figure after the first month when the cell mass has a discernable heartbeat and human form it should be protected as a baby. (...) It was regarding gun ownership and freedom going hand in hand. It was along the lines (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) He's not much of a debater then, is he? If you're really interested in tackling this subject, I'm game. The first point of contention is that a blastocyst is not a person, and the elimination of a blastocyst is not the elimination of a person, (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm okay with idea of abortion as the killing of a living thing, but not as murder. Murder can be defined as "the unlawful killing of another person." I deny that a foetus is a person with rights under the law. The foetus is not independent, (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Right now, it is easier for someone to break the law and purchase a Russian made machinegun than it is for someone to follow the law and purchase a US made handgun. (...) Now why would anyone want a cupcake if they couldn't eat it? Maybe it (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli wrote: <snip> (...) Oh here that is again-- And I will point out that, again, the Constitution wasn't written yesterday, it was written before paved roads, street lights, and Hostess Twinkies(tm)! So if we (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, I have to ask because I really don't get this reply at all: (URL) do you apply that principle to the issue of Abortion. Obviously my opinion is that the freedom of choice is whether or not to have sex and that abortion is a euphemism for (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) " jug jigga jug jigga jug jigga jug jigga JAH JAH!! jiggidy jug jigga jug jigga jug jigga JAHH JAHHHHH!!! " :) Still smile anytime I even think about it... Dave K (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are absolutely right Dave! The statistics do not show any positive or negative one way or the other for or against gun control. The funny thing is that only further increases my belief that gun control is all about Government control over (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In the words of Strong Bad: "Holy Crap!". That's an average of nearly 250 per day! Dang. By those standards we should've killed, what? 20-25K Iraqis and we've only bumped off 1000? We're under way under par! I'd say that our 1000 is *progress* (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But again, this is just anecdotal. What of the lessons taught by the Warsaw Ghetto? One gun against many. The purpose of keeping arms is hopefully cumulative amongst many partipants, not just a few lone nutters. In quantity, many rifles make a (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Probably because "'An it harm none, do what thou will" is too pagan for y'all. Besides, the former is part of French jurisprudence. -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Then you need to pick a side to stand on. Are you saying that increased gun control *does* lead to an increased crimerate, or are you saying that increased gun control is irrelevant to an increased crimerate? If the former, then your statement (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree entirely. That's why I never get into the statistics of it with people. The point is: gun control would only control the law abiding. Criminals are by definition scofflaws, and they don't care about your stinking gun control laws. Who (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Just sign here that you waive all rights to any public health aid, and agree to reimburse the state for scrapping your remains off the road. Of course, this also points out the "parental government role" you complain about. :-) (...) As long (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Over 1000 every day. (...) Yeah I figured it might be taken that way, that is why the subject is "how to start a fire" (...) Well assuming we can trust the news reports of mass graves. The estimates I have read in the paper are over 1 million (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That has always been the case regardless of the other countries Gun Control laws. (...) Gun Control does not help prevent crime, it only makes it safer for criminals to commit them. Besides, Gun Control is not about crime it is about (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure that quite qualifies perspective-wise, even accepting the fact that abortion==murder. We're talking (assumedly) military-inflicted deaths in Iraq versus civilian-inflicted deaths through abortion. And even beyond that, the Iraqi (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What? You didn't know this to be true? With all the 'mis'information pervading the media from the supposed 'liberal' outlets, it's amazing the numbers are as small as they are. Discernment is gone by way of the Do-do. Dave K (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Go Mike go! And on that, I completely agree. Dave K (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In other news... My SO can't have children -- she'd choke them to death! -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For what we are paying for government, yes. In a more perfect world, no. Reality v. Wishful Thinking. -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Exactly why I called them "pro-gun wacko" sites. However I still can not find any "anit-gun wacko" sites to refute them. Somewhere in the middle lies the truth. (...) No it isn't, I simply made the mistake of assuming we all knew that as long (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Poll shows errors in beliefs on Iraq, 9/11 (URL) A third of the American public believes U.S. forces found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, according to a recent poll, and 22 percent said Iraq actually used chemical or biological weapons. But no (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Almost if not completely verbatim... I ran into an old friend the yesterday and really 'ruffled his feathers.' We got on the subject of the Iraq war and he made the comment: "Over 1000 Iraqi civilians were killed and we didn't even find anything." I (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Assuming that you don't infringe on other's rights (as I gather from your last comment). (...) Do you assert the right to have society pay to put you back together again, humpty dumpty? Just wondering. JOHN (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Here's one web reference that might be familiar to you: (URL) in that post I link to a site that specifically addresses the Australia problem. In particular, your citations (which in essence simply parrot the same statistics and might as well (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you're being facetious, that's fine, but the issue is that you can't reasonably assume that X number of crimes are prevented by any particular factor, without additional evidence or criteria. (...) That may be so, but so what? The fact (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I see. Well... Taking on Larry's sentence some while ago, if all rights are property rights, can't you reduce common law to law against theft, and then extend it to all conflicts of interests where one party gets harmed? (I'm not saying it is (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Just adding in this reference for new(er)comers to debate (yup, it's me referencing me, again): Re: Legal Education? (was: real conspiracies?) (URL) -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The term is perhaps a little "overloaded" with history, but in a criminal law context it basically means laws against theft, rape, and murder (and all of the usual lesser versions of those kinds of crimes). (...) True, but that has nothing to (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) We have laws. "Because he had overstayed his six-month visa, U.S. immigration officials said." (You forgot to include this quotation) Also I would add that "Muslim" is not a race; Arab is. Are you talking about religious persecution? [JOHN] (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There's an infinity of difference between lying about Oval Office Oral and the creation of a war and lying about the basis of that war. Frankly, I think it's sickening that you can't see a difference. On the one hand, a manipulative woman got (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No it doesn't. Take Austraila for example. Here are some "pro-gun wacko" sites with statistics (URL) enough I can not find any "anit-gun wacko" sites with contradictiong claims. (...) Do you think we can succesfully invade every country with a (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Could you clarify what "common law" is? Especially if it is a deliberately vague concept or not. (...) Well, it could be the case that the government is actually regulating with the intent of saving your money. They can argue that you'll (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Nuclear Evidence on Iraq (URL) edit: includes great bits like "What Intelligence Officials Knew about the Forged Iraq Nuclear Evidence," and "The Bush Administration’s Use of the Forged Iraq Nuclear Evidence" The Dog Ate My WMDs (URL) The questions (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) OK, how about this; Almost all crimes that are prevented by armed people, rather than something else, are not police but rather armed citizens. Is that better? Seriously though we need to keep this whole "high crime rate in the US" thing is (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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At least according to some. When pointed out that the number one case of death for black males b/w 18 and 34 is homicide, it's a racist remark. Oh but wait... What have we here? (URL) and more than 13,000 other young, mostly Muslim immigrants who (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why is it that every president has to have an inquiry launched by his opposition party, and his party objects vehemently? Clinton does something Republicans don’t like, they launch an investigation and Democrats scream that it is too (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) senior US senator says he has evidence that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) deliberately withheld crucial information from the UN arms inspectors deployed to Iraq. The claim comes as Congress prepares to open inquiries into whether the (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I guess when it gets to the details, there's the rub: "socially acceptable." There's a lot of stuff that gets wrap up with that that itself has nothing to do with whether one obeys the laws or not. In the U.S., it used to be thought that one (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't have a chip in my brain telling me I must stop. Ergo, I run my life. Then again, and very conveniently, I don't have a problem with the concepts of Law nor Law making: my perception is that the society I'm part of writes a code of (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Top 10 Conservative idiots... (URL) number 1 this week-- "Last week Donald Rumsfeld said that while the intelligence community agrees that Iran does not have nuclear weapons, "the assessment is that they do have a very active programme and are (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks--that's exactly my point! Dave! (21 years ago, 16-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Powell wrote: <snip> (...) Hey, don't mention capitas or statistics, or comparisons b/w countries, (unless these stats conform to the predetermined answers of the party in charge) unless you want to be branded a (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think you can prove a negative. I could be wrong here, but my guess is that many crimes are prevented by locking doors too. That, and having a dog. And a green martian to defend your house when you are away :) (yes, I am being a bit (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Former Aide Takes Aim at War on Terror (URL) Five days before the war began in Iraq, as President Bush prepared to raise the terrorism threat level to orange, a top White House counterterrorism adviser unlocked the steel door to his office, an (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli wrote: <snip> (...) I would hazard a guess that most of the homicides are also due to 'armed' people. Imposing gun control on law abiding citizens will prevent and slow down the number of guns getting into (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Could you provide a few sources for that statistic? I would guess that many crimes are prevented by security cameras and by barred storefront windows--how do these figure into your calculation? Dave! (21 years ago, 16-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thanks to MacHall for the link. Offered without other comment: (URL) (21 years ago, 16-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Snipped for dramatic effect. (...) What an interesting juxtaposition. (21 years ago, 16-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Partly, that it may require periodical updates, which can contradict the previous text; as such, what today is off-limits for the government can become one of its tasks tomorrow, in a perfectly legal fashion. It's not eternal or unchangeable (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Iraqi mobile labs nothing to do with germ warfare, report finds (URL) An official British investigation into two trailers found in northern Iraq has concluded they are not mobile germ warfare labs, as was claimed by Tony Blair and President George (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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snip (...) The constitution was meant to be a document describing the specific powers and limits of the government. How does that involve "trusting it blindly"? snip (...) Well actually most of the crimes that actually are prevented in the US are (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I know that I can. I also can make my own smoothbore rifle in much the same way it's not great, but it can still kill. However, it takes time and work to do such a thing; luckily, the majority of people with an issue are just too lazy. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sorry, getting my dictators confused. Doesn't detract from the main point, though. (21 years ago, 14-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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[snip] (...) You can make a bomb with common household cleaners, not to mention you can pretty much buy anything on the black market. What I want to know is why they did it. I don't buy the governments story that they were just crazy. [snip] (...) (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, of course he's not--Kim Il Sung, after all, is dead and buried; Bush has not been so accommodating hitherto. (BTW: if I hear another TV newscaster refer to "Kim Jong the Second" I think I shall scream.) best LFB (21 years ago, 14-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) LOL (...) Doesn't count. The party in power wants to keep the power, and the Republicans are pretty adept at doing that, now by wrapping the flag in whatever argument they need to win. Wars are good for that:( (...) You'e not wrong. And the (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) story lines are good! that's what Jain's Guide is for (wildbrick.com) :-) (...) when I read the subject line first, I could have swore it read ".space needs a geek chick"... --- wubwub wubwub@wildlink.com Jain's Guide www.wildbrick.com Start (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nah, the machine may have a gyro to keep balanced, but he doesn't. Did he fall to the right or left is my big question. (...) I think it's because Bush is unbalanced anyways:) And you didn't mention President Ford and George Bush Sr. choking (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wait a minute, weren't those things supposed to have gyroscopes and stuff, basically making them unable to tip over? Man he must be really clumbsy to tip over an untipable vehicle. What's next is he going to dream the impossible dream, or (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You said it. And isn't it supposed to be "couldn't care less"? (...) James (who wishes it was a joke - I clicked the thread thinking the subject said "geek chick") (21 years ago, 13-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Does it matter? (If you think so, why?) If all they had were motivation, they'd still be looking after the means to kill. Endlessly, or at least with a high chance they'd never actually "act". (...) I don't know if I can provide an answer to (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And he has fallen off the presidency with equal aplomb. And screwing it up as president is not supposed to be that easy -- not with all the "checks and balances" that are supposed to prevent disaster. That's why it's funny -- because it's (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) Was he chewing gum at the time? Or maybe a pretzel? Dave! (21 years ago, 13-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Ha - Ha!!!!!! as Nelson Munce would say. Do we have any Bush fans on this forum? Steve (21 years ago, 13-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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