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Subject:	Re: Swift was Right! (He just named the wrong people...)
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:30:05 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli wrote: > > > > Using the theroy (sp) that armed people prevent crimes, it would seem to be > > > > discredited rather quickly by looking at statistics. > > > > > > Thanks--that's exactly my point! > > > > OK, how about this; Almost all crimes that are prevented by armed people, > > rather than something else, are not police but rather armed citizens. Is > > that better? > > If you're being facetious, that's fine, but the issue is that you can't > reasonably assume that X number of crimes are prevented by any particular > factor, without additional evidence or criteria. > > > Seriously though we need to keep this whole "high crime rate in > > the US" thing is perspective. A person more likely to be killed in a car > > accident on their way to work then they are to be robbed by an armed > > criminal and live through it. (And armed robbery is far more frequent than > > actually being killed by a criminal.) > > That may be so, but so what? The fact remains that gun-homicide rates are > shockingly high in the US (with its relatively loose gun control laws) as > compared with other nations (some of which have relatively tight gun control > laws). Relative to other nations, the US gun-homicide rates *is* high, > objectively speaking. That has always been the case regardless of the other countries Gun Control laws. > It is irrelevant whether rates of US car-accident-death > are also high. > > Remember, I'm not a fanatical gun control advocate, either. I just don't > accept flawed reasoning as a justification for increased gun ownership. Gun Control does not help prevent crime, it only makes it safer for criminals to commit them. Besides, Gun Control is not about crime it is about Government control over the people. It is just another piece of the puzzle. http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=21135 -Mike Petrucelli

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		Re: Swift was Right! (He just named the wrong people...)
(...) Then you need to pick a side to stand on. Are you saying that increased gun control does lead to an increased crimerate, or are you saying that increased gun control is irrelevant to an increased crimerate? If the former, then your statement (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Swift was Right! (He just named the wrong people...)
(...) I agree entirely. That's why I never get into the statistics of it with people. The point is: gun control would only control the law abiding. Criminals are by definition scofflaws, and they don't care about your stinking gun control laws. Who (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Swift was Right! (He just named the wrong people...)
(...) If you're being facetious, that's fine, but the issue is that you can't reasonably assume that X number of crimes are prevented by any particular factor, without additional evidence or criteria. (...) That may be so, but so what? The fact (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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