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Re: How to start a fire.
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date: 
Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:47:46 GMT
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>   He's not much of a debater then, is he?  If you're really interested in
> tackling this subject, I'm game.
>   The first point of contention is that a blastocyst is not a person, and the
> elimination of a blastocyst is not the elimination of a person, innocent or
> otherwise.

Agreed.

>   The second point of contention is that a sentient person is not the same as
> a non-sentient person.  That is, a pre-brain-functional human is not
> equivalent to a brain-functional person. This is true even if the
> pre-brain-functional person currently holds the office of President of the US.

Disagree. Once the cell mass is discernably human and has a heartbeat it is a
person. What about the mentally handicapped?

>   The third point of contention is that an innocent person with years of
> experiences and memories is not the same as an innocent pre-person with zero
> experiences or memories.

So the age of a person determines their worth?

>   The fourth point of contention is that a fetus that does not have
> independent physiological viability is not the same as a person who has
> independent physiological viability.

What about the physically handicapped?
> 
>   How's that for starters?

I belive freedom of choice is whether or not to have sex. If peopole do
*anything* it is their responsibility to deal with the concequences. Murder to
avoid inconvience is just sick.

-Mike Petrucelli



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  Re: How to start a fire.
 
(...) Who determines when it's discernably human? If I put a 64-cell embryo on your desk, would you be able to tell me that it's human? Who do you identify as a credible authority on determining humanness? By pre-brain-functional, I refer to brains (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: How to start a fire.
 
(...) He's not much of a debater then, is he? If you're really interested in tackling this subject, I'm game. The first point of contention is that a blastocyst is not a person, and the elimination of a blastocyst is not the elimination of a person, (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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