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(...) (Tom then quickly submits Larry's email address to a subscription of an online papal newsletter, grins, ducks, and runs the other way ;-) (...) Off-hand, that sounds works-based. (...) Theoretically, if one was living righteously one wouldn't (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John Neal wrote: <snip rather moving account> So stipulated. Rules a very large percentage of professed christians, out, though. And also doesn't give the outsider much of a yardstick. Let me say that I have no truck with true christians who leave (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip legitimate rant on history of "Christian" actions> (...) Lar- I'm going to submit to you this: Being a Christian means literary being "Christ-like". I don't care what anyone *says* they are, if they are not acting (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have to contest this statement. I went through a pretty tough school in New Jersey, where I had friends affected by two in-school fatalities in one year. No meteor deaths, though it could've been a quiet season. (...) Absolutely true. You (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I remember some people coming up with bogus scenarios where people might become poor "through no fault of their own" but there aren't really that many situations in which one becomes totally broke through no fault of his own. What you probably (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This was written in response to Ed basically saying that because "a majority" of Americans believe what Clinton did was not commit perjury (since he was lying about his sex life, I guess) that we should somehow view the fact that he DID commit (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Uh, the whole thing? Because the parts that weren't offensive (ie, "killing Nips") were just moronic (ie, "driving out all the most productive people"). I found the insinuation that Europeans are a good market for American products and (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How many Serbs under the age of 15 have shot people? My guess is that you'll find a higher percent than in the US. We have petty little school yard violence and you act like it's a major rash. We're mostly not arming our youth to go kill (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why...which part? --Chris (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How about both? I know it's an old question, but I don't recall ever getting a reasonable answer. --Chris (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not the Germans. We didn't save their bacon. And now that I'm thinking about it, Germans are never the ones complaining about the US...How does that work? US GIs in WWII report that after liberating towns in Italy and France that were badly (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's crazy. And maybe the Filipinos would have been better off if the US had never stopped by to set up defense of their islands? As I understand it people were pretty happy when MacAurther freed them from the Empire of Japan. --Chris (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When I was a late teen, I read the results of a poll that indicated that 44% (I think) of married men acknowledged having secret extra-marital sex. There must also have been some contingent of respondents who didn't answer honestly so if the (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <snip the milder stuff> (...) <Blink, Blink> Man, I hope this was meant as a troll. eric (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I for one, am glad that you are there. First, you maintain some very nice tourist spots for us. That might be the most important role that Europe plays. I know that sounds trite, but what I really mean is...the way the US works (and (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I will take the plexiglas windows, thank you...oh, and the armoured station wagon to go along with it... (...) Algeria? Algeria? Anyone? Bueller...? In reality, border-expansion imperialism is pretty much dead; the only way most governments (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sproaticus wrote <37C6B434.B9FCA361@io.com>... <snip> (...) So you are aiming to the "next-best" solution. How bout if your neighbour is aiming to the "next-best" of the "next-best" solution and so on ... ??? So "rights" has to be equal. (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sproaticus wrote <37C6BEB8.4F4E5E98@io.com>... <snip> (...) from (...) immediately (...) Of course U.S. government recognized the changes and has to act to stay in favor of the new leaders of the Philippines (mainly cause the location of the (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What are the other choices? <grins, ducks and runs> IIRC Catholicism holds that these souls will go to purgatory to be evaluated further. IOW, it's OK to be ignorant if you lived righteously, but if some missionary came to you and gave you the (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) was that there (...) because they (...) will. They (...) love of (...) honors their (...) Do you want a Sunday School answer, or one of my long-winded dissertations? :-) -Tom McD. when replying, "..and now here's your host, Wink Spamcake!" (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) IMO... In an all theistic world, theism probably wouldn't be called or thought of as theism. If all people believed in the existence of God from Day 1 and their offspring continued to do so, it would just be a way of life (and quite likely (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Back then, it did matter, because it was blood money and the religious leaders wanted nothing to do with it. But as far as we're concerned today, most of us don't care. It's only a hill I'll defend as long as some see it as [part of] concrete (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ow! That sounds like some kinda home surgery.. :-O -Tom McD. when replying, "You are part of the Spamcake Alliance and a traitor! Take her away!!" (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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'Despite several searches, I can't find the message this is supposed to be in reply to - so I'll just have to start a new thread] (...) True. You really need three things for that. [1] High petrol taxes, [2] Decent public transport, and [3] A (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Edward Sanburn writes: Scott Well several people wanted to know why a lot of Europeans don't think much of Americans - so I thought I may as well give my impressions based on discussions I've had with people I know. (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) do (...) Oh yes - much of Europe has awful problems with prejudice. I wouldn't say most people in the UK have a very good impression of Serbs either :) Possibly the difference is - at least in the case of gays - that by and large mainstream (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<FH2x8n.Bq0@lugnet.com> <FH3ynz.7no@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Perhaps he hanged himself by his intestines. You know, he climbs to the top of the lone tree in the potter's field, (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Prozac. (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) uhhh.. pardom me if I.Q.s just dropped sharply while i was away (name that movie!)... but isn't that the definition of a little thing called democracy??? (first, let me state that the issue you spoke is irrelevant in my arguement, i don't want (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) personally i think that in itself is a naive statement... for all we know (and personally, i would expect), Hillary is *very* aware of Bill's philandering... it's the public he made the false statment to... hell, he and Hillary could very well (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Ed Jones <edboxer@aol.com> wrote in message news:FH2q7r.2Cx@lugnet.com... (...) (snip) (...) do (...) relationship (...) lied. (...) the (...) treason - (...) Clinton committed two crimes: 1. He perjured himself, 2. He broke his oath of office (by (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, you're right. It could been easily described in one place. I do not attempt to explain or to justify why there's more than one account - there just is. Given that both accounts are correct, I'm merely attempting to show that they do not (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, I've read this several times over, and I'm afraid that your elusive language, while obviously passionate and not without a hint of poetry, has gotten the best of me. In other words, huh? Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ugh, I would rather buy a BEST-LOCK set! :) Scott S. -- Scott E. Sanburn CADD Operator, CADD Systems Administrator Affiliated Engineers, Inc. Ann Arbor, MI Work Page: (URL) Page: (URL) Page: (URL) more people I meet, the more I like my Lego (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <SARCASM MODIFIER="It's catching, isn't it? :-P"> Wow. Good idea. We can give financial aid to the really terrible governments for the people who really suffer. </SARCASM> That's kind of a cool political satire story idea. Let Michael Moore (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That I shall grant. Christianity has changed a great deal. Perhaps it would be fairer to say that they are stubborn in change. As you said, it takes hundreds of years for change to come about-- it doesn't happen as rapidly as change may be (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Amen, Larry. :) Scott S. (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nor the Swiss, in whose banks he has around, what, $2 billion? But I digress. It's not as if the U.S. claimed the Phillipenes as a colony (1). The Phillipines had their own government, and Marcos didn't need permission from us to do anything. (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What problems has the U.S. generated? Examples please, not just vague generalities. What do you suggest we do? Give out more money? Apologize? What would make you feel better? Name one country that did not do anything wrong in it's history. (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow, what a view! I want a house next to yours! :-, (...) Mostly real-estate holdings in the Pacific, with some other (disputed) claims in South America and the Indian Ocean. France is probably not the best example, as they're not actively (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who says I don't ask myself what's going on? It's true, the young age of these killers is tragic. How much more tragic do you want it to be? Would you prefer the killers who go uncaptured for years? Give me one kid who blows up and burns out (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sproaticus wrote <37C57D80.330C3CEB@io.com>... <snip> (...) My point was the really young age. Nowhere (alltough I don't have any hard facts) is the number of murders done by young ones so high than in U.S. You should really ask yourself what's (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sproaticus wrote <37C57A41.F8EBB1BC@io.com>... <snip> (...) Marcos' (...) Marcos' couldn't do what he did without the support and approval of the U.S. government. Do you have any ideas what happened in the Marcos' era? (What was the country Marcos (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What about those ignorant of the process of salvation? Through what mechanism does a stone age native of Borneo avoid separation from God? --Chris (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So John, You were going to get back to this? --Chris (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would argue that. I would also say that while the market _is_ what should determine what gets made, it's not the same as an objective quality metric. It's a popularity metric. Due to preferences and finances and whole slew of other (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<FH388n.5F4@lugnet.com> <37C5D07F.B4AB98C3@voyager.net> <FH3z48.893@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Er, technically, no. They would merely have to give enough more that the same worthy (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Christopher Weeks wrote in message <37C695B7.58633C22@e...se.net>... (...) I just figured there would be someone out there who didn't like it. I hope they pass it soon. -- Have fun! John AUCTION Page (More soon!) (URL) Page (URL) & IG88888888 on AOL (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<FH0z76.FnM@lugnet.com> <FH2vtD.A01@lugnet.com> <FH33sH.M82@lugnet.com> <37c602bf.99869@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I would think it would pop back up pretty quickly. Like I've said (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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So what's to fight about? (...) [snip] (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There is a message posted by me some time ago, not coincided but closely related: (URL) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Scott Edward Sanburn wrote in message <37C463EE.BEAF6F93@a...ng.com>... (...) out (...) Maybe (...) Billions of dollars for what? My mother's sake?.. It's bussines you know, no undeveloped country, no MARKET. Selçuk PS. The help for the last (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you agree with the mob rule mentality, then? people should be tried on public opinion rather than a courtroom? So if I say you should be killed, and 500 other people want to, then it is OK? That is baffling! Just because the public opinion (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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An atheist was spending a quiet day fishing when suddenly his boat was attacked by the Loch Ness monster. In one easy flip, the beast tossed him and his boat high into the air. Then it opened its mouth to swallow both. As the man sailed head over (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would say that, yeah. Definitely. Atheism is a meme just as much as theism is. Moreover, atheism is a direct byproduct of theism. If theism had never evolved on this planet, then neither would have atheism. Theism can exist without atheism, (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's not sufficient. For your point to be valid, people would not only have to give more, but would have to give at least as much more as charities get from taxes. Incidently one of the arguments in the UK (and I don't see why it shouldn't (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Uh? I can see China, Russia, India, Pakistan and Iraq. But France???? No the USA is not alone in imperialism. If you were willing to go back 30 or 40 years you could add a whole host of other countries - South Africa, the UK, Argentian, Spain, (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah - religions can adapt. I don't think David Eaton is really correct to say that Christianity doesn't bend - it does - it just does so over a period of hundreds of years - rather than tens of years. Christianity has adapted tremendously (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I (...) Yes you're right that we all inevitably get influenced by our prior beliefs. We also all have our own ideas about what counts as reasonable - and in most cases we'd be hard put to explain why we draw the line where we do. I *think* the (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Tom McDonald <radiotitan@spamcake.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:FH2x8n.Bq0@lugnet.com... (...) the (...) Do you want the "everything's always right, exactly right, literally right" explanation? If so, then he hanged himself, fell off the tree (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote in message news:37C3E470.A22410...ger.net... (...) and I (...) What I mean is that usually everyone involved in these discussions takes it very seriously and tends to think you can't really approach it from a (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I like the note in there about survival of the fittest! IMHO, all of the religions popular today are memes or viruses of the mind which have adapted and evolved to serve the human condition and local political climates. Those religions which (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well, to be honest, I found one thing today that *I* definitely approve of the NEA doing/helping. (URL) known about the Perseus Project for a long time, but never bothered to look into who was funding it. Lots of private funding there too, though. (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Unfortunately, the country is simultaneously swinging in a "Government is the mommy to take care of me" direction. Weird things happen when a large group of people is looked at as a unified whole, which it isn't. Steve (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ouch. I feel your pain. (the one good thing That Man did for this country is put that phrase into circulation) I'll give you a break. Or is that I WON'T give you a(nother) break. Whichever. (...) Because...? (...) Not me. If you think I'm (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) While all of those things may have some value, I've helped fund a great many of them myself out of my own pocket at the personal ticket-buying and donation level. All of the things you mention in the first sentence _ought_ to be funded (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Either you have a pretty funny sense of what art is or you've never seen some of the things the NEA has funded. The NRA can fall off the face of the planet as far as I'm concerned, but the NEA might as well join them for all the use I have for (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So if the majority of Americans decided that homosexuality was a jailable offense, you'd be all right with that? The law is the law, and until the law says something different, the opinions of a few thousand Americans asked for any given poll (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Me too. (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, I don't know about the married (in whatever sense - legally recognized or not) men YOU know, but I know quite a few married men who have not and would not commit adultery, according to any definition, including myself. Have a lot of men (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, just to nit-pick, I think in order for someone to BE a felon, legally, he has to have been convicted of a felony. Clinton hasn't been convicted of anything, has he? He's admitted to lying, sorda, but he was never tried and convicted. (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, I'm still typing one handed, give me a break (sorry, the right arm is broke and ya can;t break it again - actually not broke, just unusable due to a pinched nerve) (...) Not wanting to go into the Libertarian debate of "earning your (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<FH0z76.FnM@lugnet.com> <FH2vtD.A01@lugnet.com> <FH33sH.M82@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very quickly (because John DiR is doing fine) I don't THINK what I was outlining as a justification (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Ed Jones wrote (in several different posts): (...) As well they should. While the LP is derided, and rightly so, for being a bit frothy/extremist/wacko, the actual sentiment of the country as a whole, which is more important, really, than what brand (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, I think I'm a little clearer on your definition. That was my original intent, although I did a rather quick job myself in my first post. Basically, I wanted to know if 'happiness' was included in life-affirming. Here's what happened: Larry (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, I'll bite... What's the joke? Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And they both fear that the Libertarian vultures will gobble them up :') (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Maybe I'm just having a bad day... (...) huh? What, growing wheat? It's a disgrace, I know, but SOMEONE has to rake in the big bucks... (...) Such a shame. The world is much more flavorful when you mix in a good dosage of religion with secularism. (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Huh???? Public opinion does not weigh in the rule of law. (...) Wrong, public opinion has a whole lot to do with law. How do you think most laws get made/changed/deleted - public opinion warrants a change in the law. (...) Exactly who is "you (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, what do you know -- it really was destroyed. The homes on the base were buried under four feet of ash. (...) Yah, I guess the Phillipinos would have rather been content with the Marcos' home-grown flavor of tyranny. (1) I know, I know, (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<skip> (...) Try to explain to an European what the creationists are doing right now in the Kansas, for example? We have to go centuries back when church (religion) has such a power here (at least in the Northern Europe). How bout the late shooting (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<skip> (...) argument, (...) belt, (...) entire (...) FYI, it was Mt. Pinatubo located in mid Luzon, Philippines, which erupted in 1991. On of the most important consequnsies was that the U.S. Air Force has to leave Philippines (cause they were (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Funny, Ed, that you consider if the public knows about law or not, is better than the judicial system? Public opinion does not weigh in the rule of law. Sorry. I would not want to be tried in that court, then. And since when did you guys worry (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You might want to listen to Larry. He made several non-party common sense points. But most leftists don't have common sense, IMHO. (...) Well, Ed, both parties have "blood" on their hands, it is stupid, it is called politics 101, but don't (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, I'm a cappuccino machine! :) (yes, I would like a Cafe Mocha, please!) No, I don't think it is treason, I think Adam Howard said that. I think the whole nuclear missile incident could be considered that, however. (...) It does not matter (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, I can see where you were coming from. (...) can (...) Elephant (...) the (...) While I do not deny that he perjured, my point is that the majority of Americans view that perjury as a non-perjury, and certainly not impeachable. And the (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In context, I just tried to follow the accounts to show where and how they relate to each other. And basically I listed the obvious points made in the verses. (...) Obviously I have prior beliefs: everyone does. To be perfectly fair my (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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David Eaton wrote in message ... (...) <2 days reading - edited for length> (...) critical. (...) and (...) I don't know so I can't argue - but life affirming and happiness go well together, so from your definition, Util... sounds cool. But from (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, but that's what I distilled out. You spent two paragraphs trying to explain Clinton's crime as "he slept around, which is not a crime" and one sentence on the theme below. (...) Granted that what you say is true(1), I'm just confining (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, the republicans have been using ever possible dirt digging tactic they can find since Clinton won in 1992. This was just another attempt by the Elephant heads to make a mountain out of a molehill to make themselves appear to be the "moral" (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Ed Jones wrote: <the republicans tried to get clinton because he slept around> <old ground alert: this has been covered before but we can't have the record muddied here, I suffer from lastworditis as much as the next guy> No. They tried to get him (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please, this is such total inane garbage. Clinton was guilty of treason - do you really believe that Republican crap. He lied about having a relationship outside of his marriage - geez, why was the world not surprised that he lied. Could it (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Adam, Thank God there are some reasonable people out there! Have a great day! Scott "The angry Christan Conservative" Sanburn. (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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all the religious discussion reminded me of a joke... -- Have fun! John AUCTION Page (More soon!) (URL) Page (URL) & IG88888888 on AOL (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Didn't think you did, just wanted to keep our listening audience straight. :-) (...) You know, this is one belief that I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to. I'm not sure what a "soul" is, exactly, but depending on how you define it, (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) they (...) following (...) more (...) included (...) <big snip about story of Judas dying> (...) Well I have to admit to being impressed by the effort you've made to reconcile those accounts. Trouble is there's a point where what you are doing (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Scott Edward Sanburn <ssanburn@aeieng.com> wrote in message news:37C463EE.BEAF6F...eng.com... (...) (snip) (...) doesn't (...) with one (...) stand (...) a (...) this (...) therefore (...) felon.) (...) Right on! I think he should be charged with (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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