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(...) Now ask: Q: Whose reasoning for use of nuclear weapons do you trust more-- Iraq or the US? A: ? -John (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, we won (the fight with the *former* USSR), but still wage the battle. -John (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: <snip> Please tell me that you are kidding here, because if you aren't, you are a looney. -John (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, you inferred wrongly. They have the same "freedoms" everyone else has. There is one law for everyone. (...) Give me an example of an American law that grants whites more freedoms than blacks. (...) Sounds like an economic issue to me as (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We are winning. It ain't over yet. There are still the PDRK and PRC to deal with... (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The former USSR. (...) You go, spin doctor. The cold war was a battle of idealogies-- Communism vs Capitalism. We won. As far as Israel goes, that is your POV and not fact; we just see things differently. -John (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A judicial branch that is beholden to the son of an ex-president doesn't seem like much of a check and balance, but in theory.... (...) I thought the X-Files was cancelled? (...) Wrong Texan (not that I'd count Mr. Preppy as a real Texan). (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Interesting question / answer session: Q: Does Iraq have nuclear weapons capability? A: Probably (or close anyway), but not enough information. Q: Assuming they do, would they be prepared to use it in a war if they thought it justified? A: (...) (22 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Total crap -- it would be true in a constitutional or purely theoretical system; alas, we have only the government that has been left to us. Plus, you act as if everything going on is above board, and it is fairly obvious that much goes on (...) (22 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So who trained OBL? Who funded terrorists in central America? Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought that was self-evident. I read a quote the other day which I liked. It's from Ted Turner: "If I only had a little humility, I'd be perfect." Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, "responsible" is not the word I would use - name me a country that has a worse record with nuclear, biological and chemical weapons? In the cold war, the USA [and others] tried to destabilise many nations. Today, the USA funds human (...) (22 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is anacdotal, but the EU countries spend more of thier GDP on education, and have higher adult literacy than the USA. At best, US school spending is average. Scott A (22 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope. I inferred that white folks have more "freedoms". That view is not "class warfare". That view is not “racism”. It’s a fact. When I was in Seattle a couple of months ago I notices 2 things: 1. Beggars tended to be black [and there was a (...) (22 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is why our Founding Fathers created a government of checks and balances. Our executive branch has no such thing and absolute power. A nice aphorism, but not germane. But I will hold the example our world dominance today up against any (...) (22 years ago, 9-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, that's the problem now, isn't it? There *are* those in this world who can't just live and let live. If we don't subscribe to their particular POV, then we must be killed. There isn't much room for compromise there. And BTW, those who nit (...) (22 years ago, 9-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps you'd care to prove the correlation between "more money spent on education" and "better education"? It hasn't held up too well under close examination so far. BTW, welcome to .debate! (22 years ago, 9-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Perhaps you should remember this and then start to worry about how much power your president has. (22 years ago, 9-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can only suppose you don't know the answer to this or you would have never posed the question. The white. Oh, it's not as bad as it was during the sixties, but since the people in charge of hiring are still overwhelmingly white males, that's (...) (22 years ago, 9-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps instead of spending so much money on fighting a war, the ruling party over there in the USA should spend some more money on education so that you could learn the difference between your and you're. Maybe if there wasn't so much pig (...) (22 years ago, 9-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Somehow DWB has become the example here, which wasn't the initial assertion. Initially, Scott asserted that success in America is somehow assured if your skin color was a particular shade. DWB is an issue of profiling, to which I have mixed (...) (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In what way *specifically* does it help to be white? I would say that, all things being equal, it *hurts* to be white. In PC corporate America, if you had 2 applicants for a job, both equal in all ways but 1 black and 1 white, whom do you (...) (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, my knowledge of WWII history isn't as solid as it could be, so instead I was referring to: "Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomor'rah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; and he overthrew those cities, and all the valley, (...) (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (whoops) Skate, yes. As easily? No. DWB *is* a real problem whether you admit it or not. (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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C'mon John, stop making me defend Scott, it's really annoying. (while he did correctly point out that no one is perfect, he forgot to add that some of us are closer than others) (...) Straw dog. That's not what he said... He merely pointed out that (...) (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I know where you're going, Dave! Don't go there! No one wants to rehash THAT one! Plus LFB would be annoyed he missed it! (you've got me humming "I think I'm turning Japanese" already so knock it off!) ++Lar (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) DAVID!!! THE POINT BEING MADE *REALLY* IS THAT IT IS THE *RICH* WHO HAVE THE EASIER RIDE!!! It doesn't matter about their skin color!! Black millionares skate just as easily as white ones!! Sometimes better! Ask OJ. -John (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't know to what you are referring, but I would say such as the terrorist act of laying waste to two whole *buildings*, yes. -John (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Look, for every "Ghandi" type example you give, I could give you 100s where the little guy gets squashed. There is no "real power", just power. (...) Your little parody fell on deaf ears because it isn't even *remotely* analogous. (...) I will (...) (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Such as the terrorist act of laying waste to two whole cities, for example? Dave! (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, no and NO! That is what *you* heard me say, even after me having explained my position numerous times. What I said (and I'm typing slowly so you can keep up here) is that anyone who *supports* terrorists are as culpable as the terrorists (...) (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) See? Now this mentality of people, whether police or not, to automatically suspect people just 'cause they're black is the racist part. This is what makes *me* 'mad enuf to puke' Pointing out that DWB's happen is *not* racist--pointing out (...) (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I got pulled over for DWB once! Well, okay, all they could see was my passenger, but the fix-it ticket was for a problem they couldn't see when they turned on their lights. Oh no! Now I'm racist too! Bruce Black Irish (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Been there, done that. But somehow Bush is still in office. And stronger for it, too. Bruce (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) is on all the news right now up here in the north. Perhaps, as one local DJ mentioned, the MVP goes to the player with the best *attitude* and not the highest points. As such, I would imagine that *if* I was only playing to get the most points (...) (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Very few of us are perfect Larry. Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, you are being obtuse. Like I say below, Ghandi demonstrated where the real power lies. (...) By parodying a rather (in)famous Austrian, I was actually referring to your nationalistic outlook. (...) So as long as the US saves more than it (...) (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Did you not once say all Palestinians were terrorists? Scott A (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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din·gus (ding??s) noun, Slang. An article whose name is unknown or forgotten. [Dutch dinges, probably from German genitive of Ding, thing, from Old High German.] -- Excerpted from The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Third (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The people of a country are either free or they are not, there is no middle ground. (...) Well if we let them get away with illegal property seizure, illegal imprisonment, and other blatantly obvious facist acts, who is to say they won't try. (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure I said that or left that impression. Although my wife does accuse me of being a closet Republican (...) It's not the platform thats so bad in the GOP case (after you cut about 50% away) it's the practice. (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I read the whole article, and so did Larry. Did you? Nowhere in it did Ms. Lang say that she hates America. This is not a trivial point, since it highlights your willingness to misread a text for your own purposes. I love the United States for (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with you completely. I would like to discuss with you sometime our side discussion of joining the Republican party sometime (and I apologize to you for my loser***n jab-- I was just tweaking:) I was intrigued to learn that you would (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Click further and you read: ?It makes me feel ashamed to come from the United States ? it is humiliating.? ? JESSICA LANGE Whatever. -John (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Now that is something I can agree with. ('xcept Canada is the best country to live in, but that's just my humble opinion :) ) I don't have cites--thanks for reminding me of hte word-gerrymandering--just folks who live there and to whom I talk (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, I think he was asking where YOU would get your morals... you reminded him where he gets his, which I presume he already knew. We've discussed morality and the origins thereof in the past and I think I'm in the rather small minority that (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So... Sickle cell anemia is racist. Giving birth to same-race children by same-race parents is racist Tendency toward sunburn is racist The greater incidence of lactose-intolerance among Asian ethnicities is racist The physiologic adaptations (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (You don't have to fly me to Spain to get me to opine that I'm not particularly fond of him either, but if you wanted to, I'd go!) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott is guilty of many sins, too many to list actually, but that particular observation (that historically, it's went better for you if you're white and well off than if you're not) wasn't racist, per se. If it were, why then, pointing out (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) hating America. Unless you modify your complaint, you are explicitly equating Bush with America, which is insane nationalistic idolatry. And, frankly, that sort of kneejerk follow-the-leader thinking, not to mention your anti-world diatribes (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The quickest link I could find: (URL) (...) Dave!, tell me why I should care more about some Hollywood star's opinions than anyone else's. The media seems to think that because they make films, their opinions must be somehow more valid and so (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You, my friend, are wrong. Making generalizations based upon skin color is the very definition of racism, no matter what the race. -John (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who has said this? Name the star, and give the citation. (...) The fact that you are unable to imagine a dissenting view by an intelligent, well-motivated person of good character is a fantastic indicator that you yourself are either of low (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whoa whoa whoa.. Are you reading your own papers? Folks have been held for 'questioning' for long periods of time, even when there are no charges against them. There are people living in, well, not necessarily fear of their lives, but at least (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) That, my friend, shows me that you really can't see the forest thru the trees. In no way, shape or form is Scott's expression racist. It actually shows to me that he sees the inherent racism in the system and tries to point it (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's very nice. You should realize that such immature ad hominems only serve to reflect the complete lack of character of the user. (...) The estimated loss due to 9-11 was $95,000,000,000 USD. What do you suppose the cost (in terms of $$$, (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why should US citizens apologize to anyone because our world view happens to differ from other countries'? If I hear of one more Hollywood star say in a press conference in Europe that they hate America, I'm think I'm going to puke! I don't (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was measuring it militarily. How would *you* measure it? By height? (...) Well, you guessed wrong. The US doesn't happen to rule the world; she just makes sure that nobody else attempts to do so. (...) Look, I am not saying the US is (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think both France and Germany have done a good job standing up to the Chimp [sorry, I meant Chump] in the Whitehouse. Scott A (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sorry for 'throwing it out there' to begin with... well, no, not actually. I actually liked this thread up until the word 'dingus' appeared (though to be said, the (sic) response was a jab as well--I think we all agreed to leave the (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Slinging names is not the way to keep this debate where it needs to be. Because when you use even a mild one like "Losertarian" you enable ill mannered rabble rousers to do the same (in kind, but far worse in degree). I find the use of the (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let's keep it in perspective; there has been no "removal of any reference" to the Towers. Last night on Spin City I saw a clear shot of them, and the syndicated Simpsons recently showed the episode in which the family treks to NYC and Homer (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, Larry--you should join the NRA/Christian Coalition/Enron whore known as the GOP. And John, since you're fond of overlooking reality when it favors your agenda, let's not forget that you can make no true claims of majority. Voter turnout (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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No real arguments here, Scott -- just the reminder that your buddy, Blair seems to enjoy kissing Bush's behind. Of course, I am not saying that you agree with that; just pointing out the obvious deficiencies of your own "leaders" over there. -- (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right. I'd be happy to see some of those things too, dingus. If you think the war will pay for itself, or be a short easy to pay for war; then you need to reduce your lithium intake. Bush will raise the national debt paying off his (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Does somebody else feel like giving dingus a brief history of the "Grand Old Party"? I sure don't... -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Great! So our goal is war with Saudi Arabia, right? ...er, wait, what the hell is this business with Iraq again? (...) Figures. -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There is an easy way to sort that. (...) Why does anyone ever apologize for anything? (...) Is it the judgment you don't like, or the fact that the USA is being judged? Perhaps the French should be denied the right to free speech? Perhaps Bush (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Have you never read the bible John? Was Goliath not MIGHTIER than David? It all depends on how you measure "might". Ghandi demonstrated where the real power lies. He was stronger than the then British Empire. (...) Let me guess, the USA is (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought that the appearences of the WTC in the Spider-man movie were for promotional purposes only and never intended for the final cut? As far as I know there were two promotional scenes, one was a poster of a larger than life spider (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What, and miss out on such cogent discourse? -John (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If by "we" you mean the liberal left, than I guess you are correct. -John (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That was my point. (...) *You* could be in the majority too if you'd pull your head out and join the Republican party to work for getting liberatarian agendas implemented, rather than support the go-nowhere, impotent Losertarian party. You are (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What fun is that, except to a German after reading your malapropism:-) (...) As in show me a freer country than the US (it's comparative) (...) I doubt any "coruption (sic) from within" will attempt mass murder upon the citizens of the United (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) all (...) Actually I was referring to the removal of any reference of the World Trade Center towers. I was particularly annoyed that the deleted scene of Spiderman capturing a helicopter in a web between the the towers was not included on the (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you referring to that stupid campaign to sue Peter Jackson for the name of the second film in the LoTR trilogy? If so, then I'm with you, in that I can't figure it out, either. It was really insensitive of Tolkien to name his books after (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yikes! Lets just throw in a "Sich heil" for fun too. (...) Freest? What do you mean freest, shouldn't that be simply free. Why are there limitations placed on freedom. Granted as mind bogglingly naive as your rant is, you have the right to (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, he can assert that a majority of the estimated 39% of eligible voters chose to vote Republican, and beyond that he's welcome to believe whatever else he likes, of course. But I think he'd come across as less of a stereotypically boorish, (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, John -- wake up! You're talking in your sleep and some of us can still hear you... Increasingly we have more in common with socialism and/or communism than we do with a free democratic republic, or hadn't you noticed? THE 10 PLANKS OF (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Your demagoguery and paranoia aside, let's take a wait-and-see attitude rather than engage in pointless inflammatory rhetoeric. I am just so tired of Americans apologizing for the US-- it is mad that I would have anything for which to be sorry (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, maybe not as free as you might think... (URL) (who happens to be from the Netjerlands...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dave, I am just curious, is your perspective that on a non-US citizen? Maybe you made clear where you're from in an earlier post, but in this context I just wasn't sure. Assuming you are from elsewhere, I certainly hope you do not think that (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll help you with the lego :) It's the zealous nationalism which blinds people to fixing the issues. I'm a nationalist--I love being Canadian. As such, I believe in a 'just war' scenario--that is, I would pick up a gun and join the armed (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) None of us is blessed with omniescence, of course, as far as I can tell. And we're all limited by our horizons, and our companions. But I'm on a mountaintop with Thomas Jefferson, while you're down in a hog wallow with John Ashcroft, so I'm (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In fairness to John, doesn't he have EVERY right to believe his views have been co-signed by the american people? Either by positive act or by apathy, the future has been written. And yes, I do think it may be time to move to a country whose (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Lemme see, how can I put this in the most polite terms possible? O, I know -- self-censorship! Hey John: Shut the **** up! -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Although John may speak for the soon-to-be-installed right-wing overzealous militaristic hegemonic self-righteous theocracy, his wildly nationalistic statements should not be construed as anything like mainstream American thought, but they can (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The world needs to come to terms with the simple fact that the US *IS MIGHTIER THAN THOU* It's not pretentious, merely fact. Be thankful that the US also happens to be the greatest power ever to have existed on the face of the earth AND shows (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As far as you know, which isn't far. -John (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, Ken Krawchuk had a not-terrible showing in the PA gubernatorial race, pulling an estimated 6,652 votes versus (Green) Morrill's 4,952, and Krawchuk had at least *some* name recognition leading up to the election. The four main (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ya "Most", Dave! Was gonna say "all" but hey, you know how it is, Dave! And if you've got a problem with that, you know where to go, Dave! :-) ++Lar (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) How 'bout the US get off it's pretentious 'Mighter than thou so we can do as we please' high horse and smell the roses (or the toxic exhaust fumes from rampant consumerism) (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Most?" Dave! (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Since Libertarians didn't sweep to stunning victories in most of their races, I'm not sure I agree. Like I said elsewhere, I fear for the country. Having the House, Senate and White House all controlled by the same party (either one of the (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sometimes we have no choice. (...) How about the world showing the US a little respect first. (...) Who would support this? (...) Who wouldn't vote for this? (...) I think America did that. -John (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I am just hijacking the thread in service to my own nefarious purposes.... MUAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH...AHAHAHA!!! Anyway, I was reading some Gore Vidal related stuff on the Observer UK site and realized that we must be missing some pretty wild stuff. (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't understand why the chief executive officer has any business whatsoever in campaigning for members of the Legislative branch--isn't that a direct conflict of interest? I don't condemn Bush uniquely for this, although he's been a more (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) Shocked!! Shocked, I say, to find out that there's gambling in this here establishment!! This time, the gambling could escalate into very bad things for my neighbours to the south, as (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Democracy is a funny thing sometimes. Thankfully we have limits on what parties can spend. Scott A (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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