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Buses & Beggers [Re: Vote against/for...]
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Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:48:24 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
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> > > > Pointing out that DWB's happen is *not* racist--pointing out that rich white
> > > > men have and continue to 'have an easier ride, than, well, non rich white
> > > > folks, is not racist--and is, in fact, pointing out the racism in the system.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Bruce for pointing it out so clearly.
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> > > > Dave K.
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> > > DAVID!!! THE POINT BEING MADE *REALLY* IS THAT IT IS THE *RICH* WHO HAVE THE
> > > EASIER RIDE!!! It doesn't matter about their skin color!! Black millionares
> > > skate just as easily as white ones!! Sometimes better! Ask OJ.
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> > (whoops)
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> > Skate, yes. As easily? No. DWB *is* a real problem whether you admit it or not.
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> Somehow DWB has become the example here, which wasn't the initial assertion.
> Initially, Scott asserted that success in America is somehow assured if your
> skin color was a particular shade.
Nope. I inferred that white folks have more "freedoms". That view is not "class
warfare". That view is not “racism”. It’s a fact.
When I was in Seattle a couple of months ago I notices 2 things:
1. Beggars tended to be black [and there was a lot of them compared to the UK].
2. Buses appeared to be disproportionately used by non-whites.
Why was that John? Are white folks genetically inhibited from using public
transport or begging? Should I have waited for a bus for white folks to come
along?
Scott A
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> DWB is an issue of profiling, to which I have mixed feelings. I agree that
> using 1 particular characteristic of a person to discriminate is wrong. But if
> the driver in a neighborhood that is being ravaged by crime being committed by
> a particular age group, race, and gender fits all of those profiles, then there
> is gray IMO and I would defer to the officer's experience and judgment.
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> Conscientious, honest law enforcement officers make all the difference.
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> -John
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| (...) Well, you inferred wrongly. They have the same "freedoms" everyone else has. There is one law for everyone. (...) Give me an example of an American law that grants whites more freedoms than blacks. (...) Sounds like an economic issue to me as (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Somehow DWB has become the example here, which wasn't the initial assertion. Initially, Scott asserted that success in America is somehow assured if your skin color was a particular shade. DWB is an issue of profiling, to which I have mixed (...) (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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