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Re: A word to the international community... (Re: Vote against/for...)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:53:57 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
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> > > Hmmm, then from where?
> >
> > You know--that dusty old book you believe to be the word of your god.
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> No, I think he was asking where YOU would get your morals... you reminded
> him where he gets his, which I presume he already knew.
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> We've discussed morality and the origins thereof in the past and I think I'm
> in the rather small minority that thinks one can have moral absolutes
> without having to have them imposed by an external source, and who therefore
> rejects moral relativism.
>
> As an aside I do have some sympathy (i.e. I believe them all to be true)
> with the following views, none of which I find contradictory: (grouped
> together for convenience)
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> The US is not free.
> The US is the freeest country in the world.
> The US ought to be (a lot!) freer than it currently is.
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> The US is not perfect.
> The US is the best country in the world.
> The US ought to be (a lot!) better than it is.
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> The US does not always do the right thing internationally.
> The US has, more often than not, been a force for good in the world.
> The US ought to be more careful in how it acts, who it allies with and what
> sides it takes in international conflicts.
> The US is not, and should not be, the worlds policeman.
> The US has the right to act in its own self interest when events warrant it.
> The US has no imperial ambitions and should not have any, ever.
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> I know the "best" allegation may not go well with others. Tough. We ARE
> better than other countries and countries ought to aspire to be more like
> (the good parts of) our system.
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> That does not make me jingoistic or nationalistic.
I agree with you completely. I would like to discuss with you sometime our
side discussion of joining the Republican party sometime (and I apologize to
you for my loser***n jab-- I was just tweaking:) I was intrigued to learn that
you would find it somehow even remotely tolerable, given your liberatarian
views, to be in the Demo party as opposed to the Republican. Personally, I
have a lot of liberatarian views, and I find myself way more in tune with the
GOP platform over the Dem one.
-John
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