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Re: A word to the international community... (Re: Vote against/for...)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:11:49 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
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> > If I hear of one more Hollywood star say in a press conference in Europe that
> > they hate America, I'm think I'm going to puke!
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> Who has said this? Name the star, and give the citation.
The quickest link I could find: http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/815250.asp?cp1=1
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> > I don't deny their right to say it, I just question their motivation,
> > intelligence, and lack of character for saying it.
> The fact that you are unable to imagine a dissenting view by an
> intelligent, well-motivated person of good character is a fantastic
> indicator that you yourself are either of low intelligence or poor character
> or both.
Dave!, tell me why I should care more about some Hollywood star's opinions than
anyone else's. The media seems to think that because they make films, their
opinions must be somehow more valid and so they give them press. And what is
that intelligent opinion? "I hate Bush". Very nice. Let's report that,
because we hate Bush, too. Whatever.
> > > Is it the judgment you don't like, or the fact that the USA is being judged?
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> > It is the fact that [the world has] no moral right to do so, and that they are
> > hypocrites besides (because God forbid that the conseratives should take a
> > moral stand-- *that's* being "judgmental")
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> So you're saying that no one in the world has a moral right to judge (ie,
> to take a stand) except conservatives? I would counter that everyone not
> only has a moral right to judge others' actions; we all have a moral *duty*
> do to so. But the moral compass shouldn't be read straight out of a
> two-millennium old book.
Hmmm, then from where? At least I have a moral absolute; you have none, and
therefore you drift in a sea of moral relativism. Any judgments you make
hoists you by your own petard.
> > > Perhaps Bush should jail anyone who speaks against him/the USA? Do you
> > > think that would solve the problem?
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> > That may be how you do it where you're from; not where I'm from.
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> John, in fact that is exactly how they do it where you're from. Check out
> the articles linked from this post:
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> http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=18104
These are trying times I agree. Our freedoms are being assaulted from all sides.
-John
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