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(...) How do you feel about TJ speaking about a Creator in the DoI? -John (22 years ago, 11-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's almost as silly as saying strip clubs can't be within 1000 feet of each other or of other stores or businesses of any kind... oh wait, that's a fairly common law in the US. (22 years ago, 11-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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[snip] (...) I absolutely agree with this. [snip] (...) Well you may call it yapping about the 2nd amendment but that is a fundamental right. Without said right all other fundamental rights are unenforceable. Let me put it this way (again); A (...) (22 years ago, 11-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Check out our special tribute to the heroes and their families of September 11, 2001. (URL) bless America! ACPin & Sons (22 years ago, 11-Sep-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.announce.moc, lugnet.off-topic.debate) !
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(...) "Reverse Discrimination": A politically correct term for the right wing meant to really say, "We done stole it fair and square, so no trying to redress the crime." ;-) Actually, I don't see how "reverse discrimination" applies here whatever (...) (22 years ago, 11-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I never suggested otherwise. They acknowledged the existence of God without necessarily endorsing a particular brand of religion's understanding of Him. -John (22 years ago, 10-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And some would call that 'reverse discrimination' Just because a group of students has a student run group and they want to discuss their belief in God, and they can't get school support on par with students who want to have a Camera club, (...) (22 years ago, 10-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The Founding Fathers were deists, not theists. They believed in a Creator, not the xian god. --Bill. (22 years ago, 10-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have no problem with people believing in whatever religion they want. However, when the State, through the public school system, offers *financial* support for an institution of religion, then that crosses the line. The Bible Club should be (...) (22 years ago, 10-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hooray--we agree! That's been my intended point all along, in both this exchange and in the previous debate a month or so ago! I absolutely, totally, completely, and unequivocally support your right to religious freedom and freedom of speech! (...) (22 years ago, 10-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My point is that it is okay to protect *all* matters of freedom of religious expression up and until people fly planes into buildings... k, that was a little far--my personal philosophy has *always* been that anyone can believe what they want (...) (22 years ago, 10-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As long as you understand that "Young Hedonists for Satan" has the same rights of access and same protection under the law... Brucifer Devil's Advocate for the Day :-) (22 years ago, 10-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When you adequately explain from where our government claims our rights originate, then we can talk about the constitutionality of "God language". -John (22 years ago, 10-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If "apples" = "why does the State in one case have the right to endorse or restrict religion" and "oranges" = "why does the State not have the right to endorse or restrict religion," then I am indeed comparing apples and oranges. What's your (...) (22 years ago, 10-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Apples and Oranges... In this one, a bonafide extra-curricular school group deserves the same status as any other extracurricular school group. It'd be like saying--'Hey you in the Chess club--we think you're geeky so you don't get any (...) (22 years ago, 10-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) this the same 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals that recently ruled unconstitutional the phrase "under God" in the Congressionally-endorsed Pledge of Allegiance? Are Senators Byrd and Lott and Daschle and all the rest going to bitch about how (...) (22 years ago, 10-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) [Big-Snip] (...) The modern educational system has a hundred years of programming to produce people who, like machine parts, are relatively interchangeable. One of the worst things that a school-based authority can have to deal with is a puple (...) (22 years ago, 8-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (Even (...) news: (...) So a logical and 'common sense' statement is grounds for the liberal brain washers to harass you. It really bothers me to hear you say that you do not wish to present a well thought out opinion because of them. That is (...) (22 years ago, 8-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I meant to get back to this before now, but here goes: (URL) that for men, up to two "drinks" per day without regard to source of alcohol is a health benefit. They say that the red wine this was once believed, but is no more, and that it's (...) (22 years ago, 6-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, that's one of the central points for me. I'm trying to find an analogy, like the removal of an ugly but non-harmful wart, or perhaps the erasure of an unsightly (and potentially stigmatizing) birthmark, but neither of these is quite (...) (22 years ago, 5-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would think that if the parents were doing their job, it would be quite the opposite. By doing their job, I mean being responsible. If you have a gun in your home, it is your responsibility as a parent to educate your children in its proper (...) (22 years ago, 5-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Want it to be" or "Make it be", I think this may be semantics. Either way, my point is that this is an established (yet evolving) community that currently accepts among its members both people who may dislike certain content and those who may (...) (22 years ago, 5-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) who (...) Interesting - and scary. (...) It was my contention that the reported shooting sprees (that I recall) were by teenagers who had access to guns at home (and some experience with them). Not sure of the causal connection, if any, (...) (22 years ago, 5-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I never went on a shooting spree, but as a teen I did behave irresponsibly with guns (by the standards that most people express). And they weren't the .22 rifle that my dad had in his closet. They were used and probably stolen guns that (...) (22 years ago, 5-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There are two issues that I see, that can be phrased as two questions: Under what circumstances does a parent/guardian have the right to subject their children to surgery (even if minor outpatient)? Is it a good idea to participate in a (...) (22 years ago, 5-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.general, John P. Henderson writes: [snip] (...) I disagree strongly here. It is what it is. The is no collective decision making about how we 'want to be' - it will be what individuals make it. (...) The community may be a seperate entity, (...) (22 years ago, 5-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, that's bad. But how about an angry frog rifling through your puter looking for clone DATs? I bet that's worse. Probably deletes files as he goes. =) -- Hop-Frog (I am not now, nor have I ever been, a gremlin.) (22 years ago, 4-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, the umbrella effect in terms of the ESA is when you protect an endangered species that covers a large bit of habitat in its home range and you end up sheltering the smaller species as well. Sorry for the mistake. Similar concepts (...) (22 years ago, 4-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) what do you think? I see the utility of such a move, though on some level I'm a little uncomfortable with it (but I don't know if I'm being rational or simply reactive). On a related note, famed level-head and open-minded orator Mike Gallagher (...) (22 years ago, 3-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As far as I'm aware, businesses in the US are charged for local calls, and in any case many telemarketing firms operate nationwide. But you've hit on the solution to my problem--I just have to move to Holland. Dave! (22 years ago, 4-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Curt wrote: > That's frightening. > I have a question to any biologists out there. Is it possible to store the > DNA of males and females of each species, so that if the species goes > extinct, it can be revived? Of course, there is the question of (...) (22 years ago, 4-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message news:H1GEL7.CMw@lugnet.com... (...) Just change 'the electrically-civilized world' bit to 'America' please. I've lived in Ireland for a few years, and in Holland the rest of my life (30+ years) and (...) (22 years ago, 4-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tim Courtney writes: <snip> (...) Agreed on all points, but I'll take whatever I can get to begin with. I can only hope that political and non-profit phone solicitations will be brought under the same restrictions at a (...) (22 years ago, 4-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Loss of that person's company; the loss of the relationship with that person. (...) Well, I'm not sure that a child does either -- certainly not all of it. But there could be other claimants, like a spouse. I think earlier in the thread we (...) (22 years ago, 3-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Setting aside the loss of income issue (because I'm still not sure and don't have anything insightful to say), what does "loss of society" mean? (...) Let's imagine that a kid is part of a rich family until he's ten (way old enough to have (...) (22 years ago, 3-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, that's a fault of the kind of torts we currently allow. At the same time the destruction of what exists at the time of the loss is what is being protected. It's not that big a leap to assert that someone that has been earning "X" dollars (...) (22 years ago, 2-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) lens... I've been thinking about this for quite a while and I think that either I misunderstand your meaning, or you're wrong. The notion of equality under law, I think, is somewhat slippery. Further, it seems some times (this included) that (...) (22 years ago, 2-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) lol. I thought you'd say that. I think it is relevant. (...) I thought you'd say that too. But the truth is Mr Edelman probably knows more ablout the subject than either you or I. This is what I read about him a few days ago in the Guardian: (...) (22 years ago, 2-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OMGoodnesss!!!...!!! Started off with 'School'... Ended off (in the encore) with 'Crime of the Century'.... Rick Davies played 'Downstream' with just him and a piano for the entire song... 7 member band right now, including Siebenburg's son (I (...) (22 years ago, 30-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We get between zero and four per night. Most commonly, one. And we often get one or more during the day. Chris (22 years ago, 28-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Long distance carriers almost never phone anymore; I suspect it's because of my "stock answer" for them, which is "I challenge you to get me a better long distance rate than I do right now." This gets them all fired up into their spiel, and I (...) (22 years ago, 28-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I believe our governor (Illinois) recently vetoed such a bill because it 'wasn't strong enough' and allowed too many exemptions. I think these state-run do not call lists (with penalties) are a good thing (and are long overdue). BUT, I hope (...) (22 years ago, 28-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thinking hard - unless you count bubbles in the light sabre as defective, all the parts have been there, they were always the right color, and they always worked. Bruce (yes, I know, it's not off-topic...) Time for a poll? :-) (22 years ago, 28-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope, that's about what we get (and yep, it's our two kids that keep mealtime quite lively). I use a twist on what I learned from watching my mom deal with Jehovah's Witnesses who came to the door when I was a kid. She'd just matter of factly (...) (22 years ago, 28-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Grrrrr! Why do people insist on talking about LEGO in off-topic groups????? 8?P ROSCO (22 years ago, 28-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, maybe it's just another instance of how I live some wierd sort of ideal world(1), but I don't suffer from this plague. My wife does get a few during the day; she estimates once or twice a week, but I don't get the "nightly torrent". If we (...) (22 years ago, 27-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My state (Colorado) just passed a "no call list" (URL) where your telephone number is entered into a database. Telemarketers are required to buy updates (I think quarterly) of the database and are fined for each number that is called on the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't wish to contradict you, but we've been saying that exact phrase in response to the four or five nightly telemarketers for about the last three years, and there's been no dropoff. While I was in college I had a number of friends who (...) (22 years ago, 27-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) don't really have anything to add here, I just found some of his stuff compelling. I am guessing, probably correctly, that right wingers will not probably enjoy his material. I found what he said about information and capital interesting. I (...) (22 years ago, 27-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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We don't get very many telemarketing calls at all. Why? We know the magic words: "Put us on your do not call list." If you say this to every telemarket who calls you, you will find that the frequency of telemarketing drops off precipitously, to the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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A Metro would likely explode, and HE vehicles are already HE, there's not a whole lot more you can squeeze out of them. I'll stick with my overpowered monster that has better than stock efficiency, thankyouverymuch ;-) (...) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) (...) (22 years ago, 27-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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You need to find out if your state has a law with penalties for telemarketers who call you again after you ask to be put on their "do not call" list. Then, diligently keep a log of all telemarketers. Tell each one to put you on that list. You play a (...) (22 years ago, 26-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) Bah!! There's more important things to worry about, such as: is my neighbor a terrorist? will the price of gas increase tomorrow? will Lego raise the price per set this year or reduce the piece count again? (22 years ago, 26-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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OK, so can catch up or even exceed many high efficiency cars by enhancing your sports car. But what if you made the same modifications to a Geo Metro or other high efficiency vehicle? --Bill. (...) (22 years ago, 26-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) By charging *only* $100,000 a minute? Good luck;-) -John (22 years ago, 26-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I prefer the Marquis de Sade technique. Require all telemarketeers be hooked up to an electro-shock machine. Push the star * button on your phone when they call you (always at dinner time). The number of times the telemarketeer has called you (...) (22 years ago, 26-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) [snip] (...) Sweet! But then shouldn't you remove yourself from no-calls-please thing? Actually, it would be kind of cool to hear the legal reasons why this won't really work. Chris (22 years ago, 26-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If this works--sign me up. The next telemarketer is going to get a close rendition of this from me. But is it legal? I mean tow away zones are there 'by law', me saying that the telemarketer's co. is subject to whatever $/min is just me saying (...) (22 years ago, 26-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Like everyone else in the electrically-civilized world, I am plagued by a nightly torrent of telemarketers plying their various wares. We've signed up at a state-run no-calls-please website set up here in Pennsylvania to block calls through some (...) (22 years ago, 26-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | SUVs (was: Do you qualify? Was Re: Globalization, H1-B Visas, other geeky stuff...)
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(...) What's the story with SUVs and all this angst? I bought a Toyota RAV4 (I know, a baby SUV) the second year they were out and I drove it around town, on 20,000 miles of highway road trips and up 40 degree dirt and rock inclines. It was a great (...) (22 years ago, 24-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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Scientists Agree World is Facing Mass Extinction (URL) from article: "There is virtual unanimity among scientists that we have entered a period of mass extinction not seen since the age of the dinosaurs, an emerging global crisis that could have (...) (22 years ago, 24-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the image in my mind went something like this, "Marchetti, Hop-Frog, Black Undies..." That is a picture no one is likely to forget. Ribbit! So I suppose your case is the truest of the "it's not easy being green" cases. Hmm? (...) I (...) (22 years ago, 24-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thats's a special case ;-) Though you should have a Turbo Diesel Ram or other monster truck as your tow vehicle. Then again, if you have a Dodge Ram, that's not an SUV anyways. Not by the "real" definition ("Yuppiemobile that never has dirt on it (...) (22 years ago, 24-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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Psh. You don't know the sports car owners *I* do. I use my car several levels higher than it was intended ;-) While putting out over 1.5 times the stock horspower, I actually get BETTER gas mileage than stock (making more power generally requires (...) (22 years ago, 24-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ergh? As a Dodge Neon racer, I have to have a big Dodge to pull the trailer with the Neon in it. Neon not enough of a sports car? Sure has enough dings and dents to qualify as having been seriously "sported". And if it doesn't qualify, then I (...) (22 years ago, 24-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | Re: Do you qualify? Was Re: Globalization, H1-B Visas, other geeky stuff...
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(...) Road & Track, Car & Driver, Motor Trend, etc. all refer to the Miata as a sports car, so forgive me if I value their opinion over yours. :-) But then, I consider my 1953 MGTD that I used to own a sports car... Bruce (22 years ago, 24-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Irrelevant. I reject your comparison of Nazi Germany's occupation and Israel's, and am rather offended by it. -John (22 years ago, 24-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Miatas are roadsters, not sports cars. Roadsters are fine. It's sports cars I'm talking about. Especially ones like Tom Stangl has ;-) --Bill. P.S.: Speaking of roadsters, anyone want to buy my father's 1965 MGB? He passed away last fall and (...) (22 years ago, 23-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Easier solution, Richard - fly to England and buy underwear at Debenham's - they have 3-packs of just black & dark grey for the Gen-X/Gen-Y crowd. if you want, I'll get you some packs next time I'm over there on vacation. Paul Sinasohn (22 years ago, 23-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Me too. Seems I'm less geeky than I thought. If anyone calls me a geek again I'll point them to that quiz and tell them I only got 21%, which is just over 1/5th geek (damn, I think my geek rating just doubled!). Dan (22 years ago, 23-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I dunno either. My Miata gets over 30mpg. As far as space utilization efficiency goes unlike most 5-7 passenger SUVs, my car is always guaranteed to be at least half full. ;-) Of course it could be debated that a Miata isn't a real sports (...) (22 years ago, 23-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was more disappointed that they didn't have an "i have a segway, not a car" option 8?) ROSCO (22 years ago, 23-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I dunno ... they're both woefully inefficient and useless, wasting lots of gasoline and polluting the environment, and are almost never used for their supposedly intended purposes, but rather are used just for commuting or getting around town (...) (22 years ago, 23-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) You are a geek. Good for you! Considering the endless complexity of the universe, as well as whatever discipline you happen to be most interested in, you'll never be bored as long as you have a good book store, a net connection, and thousands (...) (22 years ago, 22-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | Re: "Peace" can be dangerous (was: Re: Peruvian Indians [Re: ..)
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(...) One man's terrorist is an other man's partisan. Marek Edelman was one of the leaders of the Warsaw ghetto uprising of the Jews against the Nazis in 1943. Is he a terrorist or a freedom fighter? Should his living relatives be punished for his (...) (22 years ago, 22-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I scored: ---...--- You are 21% geek OK, so maybe you ain't a geek. You do, at least, show a bit of interest in the world around you. Either that, or you have enough of a sense of humor to pick some of the sillier answers on the test. Regardless, (...) (22 years ago, 22-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) ~~~...~~~ Final Score: You are 28% geek You are a geek liaison, which means you go both ways. You can hang out with normal people or you can hang out with geeks which means you often have geeks as friends and/or have a job where you have to (...) (22 years ago, 22-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Yes, it's a very sick feline creature living in the space between buildings. Wow, that was a bad one -- what could I have been thinking? Normally I would blame this on my increasingly annoying keyboard, but those letters aren't even close to (...) (22 years ago, 22-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Well here's a test you can take to see if your opinion is worthy: (URL) (at least when you consider the topic and who must have created it) I couldn't take it using Netscape but had to use IE. BTW Richard, "illicate"? Is this some word whose (...) (22 years ago, 22-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | Re: Globalization, H1-B Visas, Unemployment, ITAA Job Growth Estimates, Etc.
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(...) I could argue for and against going into .debate. My gut reaction would have been to cross-post initially with follow-ups set to .debate. As to the initial question: (...) Globalization of the tech industry has been going on for longer than (...) (22 years ago, 21-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Gee, that means that many highly placed politicians may be mentally ill! =) -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 20-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think you are looking at the idea of equality with a slightly clouded lens... We are equal under the law, and therefore due equal protection and liability under the law. We are NOT actually all equal in reality. The life of a person has (...) (22 years ago, 20-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not uncomfortable with the thought that some people are worth more than others. If I'm at fault in an accident and total someone's junky car and you total a brand new Mercedes in a similar situation, isn't it reasonable that you have to (...) (22 years ago, 20-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd say that "an individual that is absolutely willing to hurt others in permanent ways to achieve their short term ends" is someone who has a mental illness. But containment with psychiatric help available until the person demonstrates they (...) (22 years ago, 20-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The need for revenge is definitely a problem. I think we really need to change our justice system so that one of the purposes of the system is to ask the question: "Are we doing this primarily for the purpose of revenge?" (...) I think more (...) (22 years ago, 20-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, I was simply trying to agree and to provide one point of common thinking. Sorry if it came off as a challenge. (...) Another good point! I suppose that, technically, the *life* of the murder victim isn't the sole basis for (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Would you contend that the abrogation of guilt caused by punishment has nothing to do with recidivism or that such effect is nonexistant? It kind of feels like you wanted to pin me to that specific stance so you could play whack-a-mole with (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah! Well, I'd definitely agree that the average prison environment is hardly conducive to the creation of productive members of society. Without naming a specific cause, I'd say that incarceration certainly contributes to the perpetuation of a (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. But I think it's less of a stretch to imagine that recidivism is caused by some unspecified factor(s) of incarceration. In fact, I think it's almost certain that some such link exists. So I guess I'm speculating more broadly than the (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am leery of according mere confinement the status of unreasonable or even harsh punishment for basic violent common law crimes (armed theft, assult, rape, murder, etc). The purpose of confinement for such violent offenders, absent mental (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oops. That should have read "execution of the mentally retarded." Dave! (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good! (...) It seems like that's part of it but there is a deeper desire for revenge that doesn't have a rational basis. I worry that we use the rational need for safety to mask our desire for retribution. (...) It's interesting that you mixed (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or should you, for instance, carry a burden of guild because your great-great-great-gr...eat-great- great-great-great-gr...eat-great- great-great-great-gr...eat-great- great-great-great-gr...eat-great- great-great-great-gr...eat-great- (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As a point of clarification, are you speculating that recidivism might result from confinement-based punishment because such punishment is separate from actual guilt-consequences of the committed crime? (...) Escaping from what? I think that (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: "Peace" can be dangerous (was: Re: Peruvian Indians [Re: ..)
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(...) In the past it has deliberately targeted non-combatants. Now it acts with (at least) complete disregard for civilian losses. (...) I'm sure some Israelis are happy - don't doubt that. I'm sure not all Palestinians celebrate – don’t deny that. (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When a child does something antisocial (aka "wrong") many parents/authorities have the first impulse to punish the kid. Current thinking in child development and parenting philosophy says (and I'm pretty sure I agree) that when a punishment is (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, you've tempted me out of my shell again... I just came up with some ideas which may explain our issues with justice, especially in these most difficult cases. While I didn't read the specific case at hand, from a quick visit to the (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, speaking only for myself, I am more interested in restitutional justice -- which has little to do with our current conception of justice. When things can be made right through some monetary or labour means, I think we should force the (...) (22 years ago, 18-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi all, There is a recurring notion, in some debates here and in conversations in real life, about justice that concerns me. It seems that there are many people who think that it is "just" for someone who does something bad to have something bad (...) (22 years ago, 18-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: "Peace" can be dangerous (was: Re: Peruvian Indians [Re: ..)
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(...) But you're also saying, in essence, that two is just as bad as ten. And that's simply not so. Two is a big improvement over ten. And it's reasonable to think that maybe whatever tactics can move the number from ten to two might also move it (...) (22 years ago, 16-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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