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Re: Criminal Justice
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Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:58:20 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> As a point of clarification, are you speculating that recidivism might
> result from confinement-based punishment because such punishment is separate
> from actual guilt-consequences of the committed crime?
Yes. But I think it's less of a stretch to imagine that recidivism is caused
by some unspecified factor(s) of incarceration. In fact, I think it's almost
certain that some such link exists. So I guess I'm speculating more broadly
than the specific "because" that you noted, but would include that.
> > It seems like it would be relatively easy to monitor somone's spending and
> > knock them around if it becomes obvious that they shielded some money from
> > their vicitms. Or, you could grant the perpetrator's future to the victims • or
> > their survivors, and then they could opt to buy the debt/burden off. And • they
> > would have no incentive to keep their cash shielded since paying it back • would
> > be their only hope of ever escaping.
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> Escaping from what?
In the coursest form, there could exist some kind of a temporary slavery until
the debt is paid. That (or preferably something more mild/regulated) would
negate the ability of the convicted to avoid the debt burden in the ways that
you suggested.
> It seems to me that someone morally able to commit
> murder could find it within himself to subvert the restitutional process as
> well. I mean, deadbeat dads do it all the time in regards to child support
> payments...
Do you have stats on "deadbeat dads?" It's kind of a hotbutton topic, but I
think dads are routinely getting the shaft by the system and I bristle somewhat
at the characterization. It seems that many people think the "deadbeat dad"
phenomenon is more prevalent than I think it is. I'd be curious to see
numbers.
> A perennial question! In an ideal society, no "sane" person would commit
> any crime, so it might be argued that candy bar theft is the result of
> mental illness.
Agreed!
> Yes indeed. I applaud the recent Supreme Court decision against
> execution of the mentally [retarded]. For that matter, I think
> I've decided that execution is in any case wrong (except in
> immediate him-or-me situations, I guess), but this decision is a
> good first step, even if it results in numerous appeals based on
> false claims of retardation.
I hope it's just a first step. I'd like to see capital punishment end for all
time.
> Gosh gosh gosh, I don't know. How great is society's responsibility to
> care for the dangerously mentally ill, and to what extent and for how long?
And does it matter if you can track a cause of the mental illness? Does it
matter if it results from child abuse or from unfortunate brain chemistry?
I'd rather see the criminally insane studied humanely and cryonically suspended
than put down. We could then fix them when that becomes possible.
Chris
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| (...) Ah! Well, I'd definitely agree that the average prison environment is hardly conducive to the creation of productive members of society. Without naming a specific cause, I'd say that incarceration certainly contributes to the perpetuation of a (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) As a point of clarification, are you speculating that recidivism might result from confinement-based punishment because such punishment is separate from actual guilt-consequences of the committed crime? (...) Escaping from what? I think that (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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