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(...) Right! We have some impressively vague and unenforced laws. For example, apparently Bill Clinton and Gary Condit(1) may both be "sex offenders" under DC law, since adultery is illegal in DC. Matters not whether all parties involved consent or (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nah, Eddie van Halen. :-) Bruce (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am no expert either, but that is the usual criticism it endures in the UK. I disagree that adult cinema is geared towards "toward the satisfaction of male sexual fantasy and desire". I imagine it is directed towards a sub-group of male (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, you mean like Jiang Zemin or perhaps Augusto Pinochet? :) Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who said unfettered? (...) Perhaps you should move to Cuba? (...) Sometimes you surprise me... but not this time! Scott A (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Either do I, but I intend to be a good parent. But I am glad the safety ne is there to protect kids... not just my own. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I expect you mean this: (URL) is worth noting that in some areas of the UK tossing a stone at a window counts as attempted burglary. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Some. I'm not really sure what you're asking. Did you want names and addresses? (...) I suspect that even if there are not specific and precise laws about it there are generally vague laws that could (and would) be used to prosecute the (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I gather it was from the former president of your country? Jennifer Clark (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Huh? What parents wouldn't be shy demonstrating sex to their kids in person? I'm pretty sure there are laws against performing sexual acts in front of your children anyway. Or maybe you meant demonstrating it as in talking and showing pictures (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not to mention that a dictatorship is often more easily changed than a democracy - you only generally have to get rid of one person (and maybe some key henchmen). (...) It certainly would free up a lot of money wasted on jails and the court (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Now why is that I wonder? Get it out in the open. It wasn't too long ago that homosexuality (for an example) was socially taboo for subject matter. Now people tend to take it as a matter of course. I beleive that the media had a huge hand in (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But what is marginal? And I disagree that all three could be included. I can envision a gallery selling 20x24" matted prints of a naked six year old and his dog playing in a sprinkler. Would that under any reasonable set of circumstances be (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How so? Consumer demographics are highly male. Thus, the adult cinema is geared toward the satisfaction of male sexual fantasy and desire. To whatever extent the activities depicted are less than perfectly representitive of norml life (that is (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am saying I do not care about the lions morals. Saying a lion has no morals, is like saying it cannot drive a car - it is irrelevant. I view calling a lion “amoral” as negative, as it is saying it has not got what we view as being “good”. (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Again, I'm tremendously unclear. Please try and explain in more than 2 sentences. Try and summarize in a couple ways-- that might help. As near as I can tell, you mean one of two things: 1. You mean to say that we cannot tell if animals have (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because, I expect, people do not want to know. Domestic violence exists, but too many in society turn a blind eye. (...) Was it a few months ago - Is that the guy who did not wear a helmet? (...) I do not believe that parents always know best. (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It might be a way to curb that type of violence, yes. So why not show that type of violence in movies? Get it out in the open. Don't hide it from your children. Allow them to see the violence and have a chance to understand that it is wrong (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I may well have. (...) The stereotypical porn movie is demeaning to woman. If I were to teach anyone sex education, it would be more than a functional analysis. Sex education should, at the very least, be in the context some sort of well (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A good question. If it is publically avaible it could include all 3. But I see your point. But lets leave the marginal side of kiddy porn aside for now. (...) My view would be that individuals who use this material may need help in some way. (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A good question. If it is publically avaible it could include all 3. But I see your point. But lets leave the marginal side of kiddy porn aside for now. (...) My view would be that individuals who use this material may need help in some way. (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I cycle to work, cars do not screech around corners. Buildings do not explode. But I am sure that behind a couple of doors a husband is beating a wife. A dad is beating his kids. A mother may be beating her kids too. The reality is that (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well I still think it is. I view moralising as rather sanctimonious. To say an animal is without them is negative - in my opinion. (...) Amoral is negative. (...) Evaluate comes to mind (...) Read Larry's message again. Assess the tone. What (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. Not at all. I meant consumption levels. I used to share an office with a guy who has utter contempt for anyone who is more than a pound overweight, gay or a Catholic(1). I was thinking of him when I wrote the text. He lives in the USA (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well? Is there a contrary view? Scott A (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Including me I think. (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) By referencing the dietary constraint issue, are you talking about my ethical stance on vegetarianism? You are claiming that there is a difference between protecting lives and dietary restriction, but my dietary restriction does protect lives. (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For one thing, after the filming of Xena's beheading, Lucy Lawless appeared on Leno. In real life people do not typically hit the talk show circuit after they're decapitated (though admittedly it's sometimes hard to tell the difference). As (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm.. It strikes me as a contradiction to call for reality as a stylized representation of reality, but I'm nitpicking (and, anyway, I know what you're saying). But overall I think people want realism in their fiction, moreso than (but not to (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not by my watch. If you were unclear on the issue you probably should've asked Larry what he meant by amoral. Otherwise, you must explain what definition you though Larry was using, explain why it's not what you're saying, AND explain the (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the key phrase is "public indecency and lewdness." Sex, violence, indecency etc. don't always happen in public. (...) The reason that I chose that particular incident, is because there was a double shooting at a local mall the day (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Didn't you jump my case for calling you a prude several months ago? I think pornography is a good tool for parents to demonstrate sex when they're too shy to do so in person. It sounds like Scott objects to the commission of certain acts or (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't mean to come down on the side of censorship here, but if you haven't noticed, we do have laws against public indecency and lewdness and laws against violence too. So your analogy, it seems to me, works against your stance. (...) But we (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Last time I had to post 3 timesabout my new MOCs before 2 people replied. They were too busy arguing about wings in space... ZaC Soden ---...--- www.ozbricks.com/battlespace (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I know this was a troll, but I thought I'd bite. (...) Certainly we tell ourselves that the children involved are deeply damaged by the experience. I'm not so sure that it's just our squicky puritanical knee-jerk doing that rationalizing sometimes. (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I had typed out a whole paragraph arguing exactly that point, but thought it was vague enough that I let it be. Besides, I didn't want to prove your statement about me above to be true. :-) (...) -Duane (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Alright, I'll put this topic to bed (Oooo, that pun's just bad) (...) I'm just wondering what the difference is in your mind. (...) OK, I'll give you that. (...) Then why is there such a hunger for the media to lay their hands on (to use the (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which response, to which Dave? Precision is good. Do you agree with my summation below? If not, could you give what *you* think Chris meant, and what *you* think Larry meant? From looking through, it is very obvious that everyone who has (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is an interesting point and I think I can shed a little more light on it. Jennifer's truck broke new ground on two (or more) front's. I think as well as her being female there we're more factor's that contributed to the large number of (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jesse Alan Long writes: <snip my own stuff> (...) Who is Judy? Jude (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nobody "stole" the name of your spacecraft since you do not hold exclusive rights to the name "Galaxy Enforcer" It's especially silly for you to claim ownership of this name, because you admitted that it's a name for a spaceship you haven't (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the obsession has to do with Shiri being female. To illustrate this, I've put together an example. Below are some posts from Lugnet.technic (in which most of the posts are from males). POST 1: Beat Felber's announcement of his new (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope (...) You have to take the ribbing to be a part of the groups. It's fun. Accept it. Do it back. Enjoy yourself. (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <emphasis> (...) </emphasis> (...) You paint with too broad a brush, sir. And I resent it. I am very tired of it, in fact, in the general case. In this specific case I have repeatedly tried to move this thread to debate and others keep moving (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) people have been ridiculing me for simply saying that they stole a name for a class of space craft that I have built and I am not trying to complain but these people, for the most part, have been acting as if they are the biggest LEGO gods in (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When one read this again it looks rather quaint: "have the right to marry and to found a family". Although I am sure/hope it is not intended today, but it implies that marriage should come before having children. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is a family forum. Like I said before, it may just be that I am a prude. (...) Just what war torn coutry do you live in? (...) Not more violent, but more realistic. There is a clear distinction between the two. Movies have the stylised (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For the benifit of other readers: (URL) 16. (1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Every other person is STILL talking about Shiri? Does every person in this room have a psychotic obscession with Shiri? "Move it along, there's nothing to see here, people, let's go. police chief from South Park" Jesse Long P.S. I agree with (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am, if we share an understanding of what "basic" means. Even if we do not, there is this : Universal Declaration of Human Rights - Article 16. (I expect Duane will contest both. ;/) However, the paranoid in me tells me that this is the (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What is your basis to the claim that acts depicted in pornography are different than those done in real life behind closed doors? (...) The crow-bar incident stemmed from my attempt to help a woman in a neighboring apartment who was being (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I did not say that in this thread. I cannot remember ever saying it? (...) This is because, generally, I do not view .debate as a place where debates should start (am I the only one which thinks this?). I view it as a place where debates which (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 'Dissenting Judge Ann Bradley said the sentence violated the "basic human right" to have children.' Wasn't aware of such a right. Who's got her email address, maybe she could present her reasons for that viewpoint here and settle (1) a (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks! Dave! Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK. (...) I understand there are no/little computers in schools in India - and yet every country wants Indian IT graduates. I am pretty sure that Japan has very few computers in schools also - but I may be wrong. The problems with computers in (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Have you read my respnse to Dave on this? (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) no. Calling it amoral compares it to us does it not? (...) no. (...) If you mean murder, by anyone's moral code this is wrong. I expect even murders know it to be wrong. (...) What is your point? (...) Yes, but I do not have to stop myself - I (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It does yes. But not as it is depicted in pornography. (...) You must be mixing with the wrong people. Violence in the movies is not the same as in real life. Perhaps the US's fascination with gun culture would be lessened if the movies (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK. I'm not being clear again. I meant the relevance of the arugment was moot - not its content. Scott A (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why is it illegal? Is it because the majority find it offensive, or because of the exploitation/harm to children? Perhaps both? If no exploitation/harm to childrenwas involved in any way, should it be available in a free society? Should the (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) heh. Vasectomy and castration (chemical or otherwise) are generally quite effective, as is tubal ligation or hysterectomy. In addition, homosexual intercourse traditionally has a low occurrence of pregnancy. Dave! (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Court order? (URL) Yes contraceptives are effective, just not 100% effective. If you (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.space, Jude Beaudin writes: *Snip, chop, lop, crop.* (...) *Snip, chop, lop, crop.* I have generaly stopped posting on lugnet.space about my MOCs, due to the fact that nobody ever seems to respond. I do keep posting about updates on my (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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My carry gun is a Kimber Elite Carry. It is .45 ACP, based on the Colt Commander style of 1911. It carries 7 rounds in the mag and 1 in the chamber. It is 1.28 inches in width, has a 4 inch barrel, weighs 28 ounces, a total length of 7.7 inches and (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So. You admit you were wrong to disagree with Larry about his assessment of your position as being that the Lion was amoral? (...) Do you think "judge" is incorrect? Please suggest a better word. What is it that family/friends may do with (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heh. FUT .off-topic.fun, because it's fun, and that's not debateable. :) (...) I think you leapt to a conclusion. :) But I'll give the answers anyway:(1) My belt is a kidney belt, made of 5 inch wide 16 ounce leather, backed with plastic (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Would you two just take it offline and shut the hell up? How many times are people going to have to tell you that your endless sniping at each other is the most annoying thing in this group before you shut up, play nice, and ignore each other? (...) (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) O.K. sooooo I know that this if off-topic even for this off-topic thread… But I really wanna know James! What is your Belt: Who’s your teacher: What’s the name of your club: Have you been to any competition: What discipline of Martial Arts do (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, you're right. My imprecision. What I meant was: "We are saying that morals do not apply to it." Mea culpa, mea culpa. James (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Uh, no, by the definitions you gave (and my understanding also) amoral does not specifically relate to _our_ (human) morals, but _any_ morals. (...) ROSCO (Never let it be said that *I* let this thread die!) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Any film as a *true* representation of life? No. *A* representation of acts in real life interpreted by the director, producer, actors, etc.? Yes. (...) He never stated that films were an objective account of life, nor did I mean to imply that (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Was that a question? In other words, are you asking *us* if *you* see it that way? How should we know what you think, if you don't know yourself? But let's assume it's a statement, since it's more likely that you're just challenged about when (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Something in the water where I work makes about 9 out of 10 people refer to something that is no longer relevant as a "mute point," but I'm usually silent on such matters. Dave! (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why is it a moot point? (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Around here, police officers have the option of carrying mace and/or pepper spray as a weapon, but if they choose to exercise that option, they must be willing to undergo the effects - in other words, they voluntarily get maced. James (who (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't want to make light of your experience (alright... I do, but it's only meant in jest), but isn't it usually the other way around? :-) (...) The macing was unfortunately an assault by a gang of kids at a pool hall one night. I should (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I see your crow-bar and raise you a gun (no I didn't get shot, but I did have a gas station attendant pull a gun on me (see (URL) and it's followups if you want to see the details). (...) I've never been maced thankfully, but having a gun (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't typically come down in complete agreement with Scott, but I must concur with him on this point. Does anyone of full mental capacity actually think that any film is a true representation of life? The entire process, from the formulation (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Does it have the capacity of a standard M1911A1? Where is it smaller -- barrel, mag, or width? Got URL? Cheers, - jsproat (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Dave Low wrote in message ... (...) of the (...) obvious (...) Indeed, and the gradient is not only mental/psychological but physical: there are an amazing number of medical conditions which fall outside traditionally physically male and (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pornography is just a graphical depiction of sex. Sex happens in real life. Violence happens in real life to varying degrees. Get threatened with a crow-bar, or get maced sometime. I feel that both are pretty violent and they have both (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let me back-track for a minute. I think I started down a different path than we were originally on. I think the government should reduce it's size period. It doesn't need to be as large as it is. Too much red tape already. That said, let's (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is *exactly* what we are doing when we say the lion is amoral. We are saying that our morals do not apply to it. That's where the breakdown in communication is happening. You appear to be operating with a different definition of "amoral" (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think he was referring to your efforts to veer the debate in an attempt to make First Amendment = Child Pornography. Granted, there's room for a .debate there, but that's not the crux of the matter (nor, technically, is it a problem with the (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why? Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Irony (...) So the money should be spent regulating itself getting smaller? (...) We do not live there. How would you solve the problems in this world? (...) Is this the best you can do? Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dave spotted it too: (URL) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Very interesting. I will have to read more about it and see how the story developes. I hadn't heard of the technique before, so I can't argue any points about it yet :-) -Duane (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This, for some reason reminded me of this: (URL) para: "In a country where 40m people have no health insurance, the Bush administration is planning to offer publicly funded medical coverage to foetuses, in a move which pro-choice activists (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Talk about up-to-the-minute. See these topics: (URL) I didn't want to weigh down this basically light-hearted discussion, but you (...) I agree (about being a drag etc). Still, I thought .debate was a good place for discussion of Adam's rib (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Then I'm assuming that you've never had sex, or been in a fist-fight. (...) -Duane (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. Although not everyone has to. (...) How so? (...) By reducing itself (fat chance). (...) I said "idealistic world". (...) That's what education is for. (...) -Duane (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One would expect not anyway: (URL) A (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I do not think I have metioned child in this thread... but you are correct, I do not understand it. Do you support child pornography? What about child prositution? (...) Is this the best you can do? (...) Ah. It is my fault. I see. I should (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not any more: (URL) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think we should not compare our morals with the lion’s decision making process. (...) i think "judge" is rather strong a word. (...) If they wanted you to - yes. (...) The consequence is that it annoys them. (...) Why do you neet motivation (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, I did not see it when I read over the webpage the other day. None the less, I think that telephone surveys are not as good as the real thing. However, this is a moot point. (...) Hardly typical. Even if it was, it appears that I am not (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "realities of life"? You think violence in movies and pornography represent the "realities of life"? It looks like my life is duller than I thought. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, I did not see it when I read over the webpage the other day. None the less, I think that telephone surveys are not as good as the real thing. However, this is a moot point. (...) Hardly typical. Even if it was, it appears that I am not (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So you think there is enough charity money out there for everyone to go cap-in-hand for a hand out? (...) Controversial (...) You said this before. I asked you where the money should be spent - I think you replied saying the government should (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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