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Re: More LP S P A M : (was Re: Scary Survey results about the US First Amendment)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:58:13 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
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> > > I think pornography is a good tool for parents to demonstrate sex when
> > > they're too shy to do so in person.
> > >
> > > It sounds like Scott objects to the commission of certain acts or
> > > certain production aspects of popular pornography. I certainly agree that
> > > children shouldn't be subjected to bad porn. But if they can keep their
> > > story line together, what's the problem?
> >
> > The stereotypical porn movie is demeaning to woman.
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> How so? Consumer demographics are highly male. Thus, the adult cinema is
> geared toward the satisfaction of male sexual fantasy and desire. To whatever
> extent the activities depicted are less than perfectly representitive of norml
> life (that is the point, after all) they will be geared to appeal to men,
> rather than women. But I'm not sure about it being demeaning in any analysis.
I am no expert either, but that is the usual criticism it endures in the UK.
I disagree that adult cinema is geared towards "toward the satisfaction of
male sexual fantasy and desire". I imagine it is directed towards a
sub-group of male sexual fantasy and desire.
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> > If I were to teach
> > anyone sex education, it would be more than a functional analysis.
>
> By this, do you mean that it would include a functional analysis and then some?
The other way around I expect.
> Or do you mean, that like most sex ed, it would completely neglect the
> functional analysis? (I'm assuming that functional analysis means the
> mechanics of the thing; "you put this part here and do this with it" etc.)
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> > Sex
> > education should, at the very least, be in the context some sort of well
> > formed mutual relationship
>
> What exactly does 'well formed' mean? I'm thinking you mean, that they know
> each other well..? Would you assert that it would be somehow improper for me
> to drive to New York City (about an hour away) to visit a sex club where I
> would meet and copulate with strangers?
Sodom and Gomorrah!
> What makes it so? Why does _your_
> vision of what appropriate sex is count more than mine?
I have no real problem with that. However, if sex education is to represent
an ideal - I do not think that should be it.
>
> > – not a liaison with the plumber. But perhaps
> > Chris was right to call me a prude.
>
> If your plumber is apealing and game, then why not? perhaps so.
>
> > > > > > Perhaps the US's fascination with gun culture would be
> > > > > > lessened if the movies depicted the full horror of what they can do -
> > > > > > rather than depict the usual band-aid type wounds.
> > >
> > > I wish that movies would more acutely depict what happens to societies when
> > > violence becomes the norm. Maybe then, all the personal violence in the UK
> > > would start to recede and you folks would be able to live more safely. I'm
> > > sure glad that I don't have to worry the way y'all must.
> >
> > Trouble maker.
>
> Obviously my goal was to tweak you (in a friendly way), but that doesn't change
> the fact that I am also serious. Since I dug up the statistics published by
> the government of the UK that the chance of being violently victimized is much
> greater over there (England and Wales, actually) than it is here, I've been
> milking it every time someone makes one of their wisecracks about the US gun
> culture.
I find the stats unlikely - I suppose it depends on what one defines as
"violently victimized". Violent crime is so rare in the UK that serious
incidents investigated in detail. Murder clear up rates are high, and a
great deal make national news here. Incidents were the police have to use
guns are very rare, although not rare enough:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1436000/1436689.stm
(I am not sure why this guy had to be killed).
That said, England has had real problems over the last couple of months:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1435000/1435958.stm
And we have the usual idiots in NI:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/northern_ireland/newsid_1436000/1436251.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/northern_ireland/newsid_1434000/1434983.stm
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> Chris
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