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Re: More LP S P A M : (was Re: Scary Survey results about the US First Amendment)
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Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:36:13 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Duane Hess writes:
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> > > > > I would rather the government do something useful, not tell me what
> > > > > I can/cannot say, or what my children can/cannot see or hear.
> > > > 
> > > > Such as? Protecting children is what I expect government to do before almost
> > > > anything. I expect government to supply children with free healthcare and
> > > > education.
> > > 
> > > I've been through the public education system (several of them actually) and
> > > I think the government is doing a lousy job at it. The quality of student is
> > > degrading rather quickly. I would rather send my child to a religious school
> > > where I know they will have a good education, healthy meal and a little
> > > moral backbone - because I'm paying for it.
> > 
> > What is you could not afford it?
> 
> Ask for assistance from a charity. There are plenty of grants and
> scholarships available for primary & secondary education. Just like
> post-secondary. You just need to look for it.

So you think there is enough charity money out there for everyone to go
cap-in-hand for a hand out?

> I'm all for educating
> children,

Controversial

> but I don't agree with the way the government is spending MY money
> on education. That's why I would rather take MY money and go elsewhere.

You said this before. I asked you where the money should be spent - I think
you replied saying the government should regulate itself more (ie more
bureaucracy). But the question is - regulate itself more doing what exactly?

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> > 
> > > 
> > > As to what the government could be doing? I think regulating itself would be
> > > a good start. It's one of the few industries that I know of where a person
> > > can be promoted for being incompetent. Since it's so hard to fire a
> > > government employee that's the only way to get them out of your department.
> > 
> > Private industry is just as bad as the government... in my opinion. Look at
> > how wrong the private sector got the dot.coms
> 
> I don't know about "just as bad", but I do agree that the private sector
> could use some work too.

"use some work" - the dot.com / new technology bubble cost many fools a lot
of money. It was "stalled" most western economies in a way that government
bungling finds hard to do.

> > 
> > > 
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> > > > > If a parent
> > > > > can't keep track of what their children are doing on a regular basis then
> > > > > they shouldn't have been a parent in the first place.
> > > > 
> > > > How do you propose they should be stopped? Who should stop them? Who should
> > > > pay for it?
> > > 
> > > Themselves. My opinion is that they shouldn't have been a parent if they
> > > weren't ready. It's their decision though. If they were going to do the
> > > deed, they should be willing to pay the price.
> > 
> > We are back to where we started - you still have not answered my point.
> 
> How should they be stopped? Abstinence - it's the only true way to prevent
> pregnancy. Yes contraceptives are effective, just not 100% effective. If you
> use contraceptives you still need to be willing to live with the failure of
> the device and possible resulting pregnancy.
> 
> Who should stop them? Themselves hopefully. I know that's too much to ask,
> but it would be nice in an idealistic world. I'm not going to step in and I
> don't want the government to either.

If they are negligent enough to be a bad parent, what makes you think they
will care enough to abstain? How do they know they will be a bad parent?

> 
> Who should pay for it? They should pay for their own prevention.
> 
> Are those answers enough?

I shall let you be the judge of that.

Scott A

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> > Scott A
> > > > 



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  Re: More LP S P A M : (was Re: Scary Survey results about the US First Amendment)
 
(...) Yes. Although not everyone has to. (...) How so? (...) By reducing itself (fat chance). (...) I said "idealistic world". (...) That's what education is for. (...) -Duane (25 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: More LP S P A M : (was Re: Scary Survey results about the US First Amendment)
 
(...) Ask for assistance from a charity. There are plenty of grants and scholarships available for primary & secondary education. Just like post-secondary. You just need to look for it. I'm all for educating children, but I don't agree with the way (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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