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Re: More LP S P A M : (was Re: Scary Survey results about the US First Amendment)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:08:46 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Duane Hess writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Duane Hess writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Duane Hess writes:
> > > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > > > > > Then I'm assuming that you've never had sex, or been in a fist-fight.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why?
> > > > >
> > > > > Pornography is just a graphical depiction of sex. Sex happens in real life.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It does yes. But not as it is depicted in pornography.
> >
> > This is a family forum. Like I said before, it may just be that I am a prude.
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>
> Alright, I'll put this topic to bed (Oooo, that pun's just bad)
> >
> >
> > >
> > > What is your basis to the claim that acts depicted in pornography are
> > > different than those done in real life behind closed doors?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > Violence happens in real life to varying degrees. Get threatened with a
> > > > > crow-bar, or get maced sometime. I feel that both are pretty violent and
> > > > > they have both happened to me.
> > > >
> > > > You must be mixing with the wrong people.
> > >
> > > The crow-bar incident stemmed from my attempt to help a woman in a
> > > neighboring apartment who was being abused. The abuser, didn't like my
> > > involvement.
> > >
> > > The macing incident resulted from my inability to back down from a
> > > confrontation. The crowd I was associating with had nothing to do with it.
> > >
> > > > Violence in the movies is not the
> > > > same as in real life.
> > >
> > > How so? What is different?
> >
> > Just what war torn coutry do you live in?
>
> I'm just wondering what the difference is in your mind.
As I cycle to work, cars do not screech around corners. Buildings do not
explode. But I am sure that behind a couple of doors a husband is beating a
wife. A dad is beating his kids. A mother may be beating her kids too. The
reality is that most violence in society happens in the home. Movies do not
show that. Perhaps if movies did, there would be less domestic violence?
Scott A
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> >
> > >
> > > > Perhaps the US's fascination with gun culture would be
> > > > lessened if the movies depicted the full horror of what they can do - rather
> > > > than depict the usual band-aid type wounds.
> > >
> > > Does this mean that you feel that violence should not be censored? It seems
> > > like you are suggesting that movie violence (gun violence in particular)
> > > actually be made *more* graphic to communicate more effectively the damage
> > > resulting from a gunshot wound.
> >
> > Not more violent, but more realistic. There is a clear distinction between
> > the two.
>
> OK, I'll give you that.
>
> > Movies have the stylised violence we see today as the market does
> > not want to see the real thing. Films which show real violence (Nil by Mouth
> > comes to mind) do not make huge $$, because the market wants, to a certain
> > extent,
>
> Then why is there such a hunger for the media to lay their hands on (to use
> the example again) autopsy photos of Dale Earnheardt?
Who is this?
> It seems like people
> *want* reality in their media. Think back to the older westerns and war
> movies. When someone was shot, they either coverd up the wound or showed the
> "ketchup stain" wound. Today a gunshot wound seems incomplete unless you can
> see the graphic damage done by the bullet (preferrably in slow motion).
No. A guy gets shot in the arm. He holds his arm and gives his chosen loved
one a kiss. His arm does not be blown off.
>
> I think people truly want reality in their media, even if it is a stylized
> representation of reality interpreted by the director. Why shield people by
> removing their rights?
Why expose kids to it?
Scott A
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> > escapism – not reality.
>
> Nice phrase, I like that.
> >
> > Scott A
>
> -Duane
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